Personally, I generally friends and family to stay in the CWE. If I was an outsider, that would be the area (that has hotels) that would make me think "I could live here."
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Ahhh! I see, the stigma thing makes whole lot of sense._nomad_ wrote: ↑Jul 12, 2023I think there are two main reasons for the bus/train discrepancy: 1) the train is more reliable by far because it operates on a dedicated right-of-way insulating it from traffic delays, has not been subjected to the Metro scheduling cuts caused by driver shortages, and has a much more frequent schedule than the bus routes and 2) I think there is a cultural stigma attached to the bus more than the train that it is only for people who can't afford a car. I don't know what can be done to combat the stigma, but unless the bus system can prove to be a reliable and convenient way to get around on a predictable schedule I don't think they will grow ridership amongst people that have other options available.stlurbanist wrote: ↑Jul 12, 2023I always had this lingering question in mind.
Why don't I see lot of working professionals taking metro buses? I see few taking metrolink but never seen any working professionals taking buses. Is that a cultural thing? I am sure it is not endemic to St. Louis.
To someone's response, I don't think downtown has very many restaurants for quick lunch compared to clayton or brentwood.
How can we attract new employers?
As to restaurants, while I don't know what is classified as a quick lunch, I am willing to say that downtown has more options available in most categories outside of major chain restaurants than either Clayton or Brentwood.
As far as restaurants are concerned, some of you might make fun of me but I miss subway, panera, quiznos, edible difference, mr. curry's and bunch of others. There were so many restaurants at stone's throw and you didn't have to drive to get lunch. Of course, we have the new ball park village which is making up for some of the lost places.
Does anyone know how Katie's Pizza is doing? Last couple of times I walked past their place, on a non-game day, during late lunch hours, it was almost empty.
Isn't there a Subway still near the courts? There's also Pickles, Snarfs, and Jimmy Johns that's along those lines along with a collection of other fast food-style places, but there could always be more.stlurbanist wrote: ↑Jul 12, 2023Ahhh! I see, the stigma thing makes whole lot of sense._nomad_ wrote: ↑Jul 12, 2023I think there are two main reasons for the bus/train discrepancy: 1) the train is more reliable by far because it operates on a dedicated right-of-way insulating it from traffic delays, has not been subjected to the Metro scheduling cuts caused by driver shortages, and has a much more frequent schedule than the bus routes and 2) I think there is a cultural stigma attached to the bus more than the train that it is only for people who can't afford a car. I don't know what can be done to combat the stigma, but unless the bus system can prove to be a reliable and convenient way to get around on a predictable schedule I don't think they will grow ridership amongst people that have other options available.stlurbanist wrote: ↑Jul 12, 2023I always had this lingering question in mind.
Why don't I see lot of working professionals taking metro buses? I see few taking metrolink but never seen any working professionals taking buses. Is that a cultural thing? I am sure it is not endemic to St. Louis.
To someone's response, I don't think downtown has very many restaurants for quick lunch compared to clayton or brentwood.
How can we attract new employers?
As to restaurants, while I don't know what is classified as a quick lunch, I am willing to say that downtown has more options available in most categories outside of major chain restaurants than either Clayton or Brentwood.
As far as restaurants are concerned, some of you might make fun of me but I miss subway, panera, quiznos, edible difference, mr. curry's and bunch of others. There were so many restaurants at stone's throw and you didn't have to drive to get lunch. Of course, we have the new ball park village which is making up for some of the lost places.
Does anyone know how Katie's Pizza is doing? Last couple of times I walked past their place, on a non-game day, during late lunch hours, it was almost empty.
The times I've been by Katie's they've been doing good business and a couple friends who work there say they regularly get crowds, but those have been dinner times.
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Katie’s is doing very well
Since covid started more restaurants have opened/are opening in next 2 months than closed. My last count was 35 opened/opening and 26 closed.
As I’ve mentioned in this Or restaurant thread, ukraft is looking for a bigger space in downtown it’s been doing so well
Since covid started more restaurants have opened/are opening in next 2 months than closed. My last count was 35 opened/opening and 26 closed.
As I’ve mentioned in this Or restaurant thread, ukraft is looking for a bigger space in downtown it’s been doing so well
Looks like I got a bit ranty late night after reading some discouraging posts or reddit lol. Thanks for the reality check. I will say, however, that I think downtown is good for tourists because it feels local and had local defining features. I think that CWE is good as well for St. Louis for its walkability but isn't anything unique from its equivalents in places like culver city in LA, and do not think people from the city should be actively trying to stop tourists from coming to downtown. Hence the urban strip mall comment.
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When discussing street closure fails, St. Charles closed of north main for many years only to see it struggle. Once they reopened it, the restaurants returned and thrived.
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Chicago closed State street in 70s and 80s. It was a huge flop.
Cars are fine on streets just design the streets to (i) make the cars drive slowly and (ii) prioritize the needs of the pedestrian, cyclist, and mass transit user first.
Cars are fine on streets just design the streets to (i) make the cars drive slowly and (ii) prioritize the needs of the pedestrian, cyclist, and mass transit user first.
Honestly, downtown St. Louis doesn't need to close streets or do anything fancy. Increase police presence, get infill on those parking lots (which are huge crime generators), and streetscape modernization/beautification.
What did they do in the 1970s?JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jul 15, 2023Chicago closed State street in 70s and 80s. It was a huge flop.
Cars are fine on streets just design the streets to (i) make the cars drive slowly and (ii) prioritize the needs of the pedestrian, cyclist, and mass transit user first.
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The street closure/pedestrian mall trend occurred during a period of catastrophic decline in cities. Old North is no exception, it wasn't killed by the ped mall but by suburbanization and extreme white flight.
There are plenty of ped malls from that era that have survived and continue to thrive to this day, the key is having a strong land use surrounding it. Nearby institutions (think universities and hospitals) are also important to funnel people through 365 days a year.
IMO one of the best opportunities for this in STL is Euclid between FPP and Lindell.
There are plenty of ped malls from that era that have survived and continue to thrive to this day, the key is having a strong land use surrounding it. Nearby institutions (think universities and hospitals) are also important to funnel people through 365 days a year.
IMO one of the best opportunities for this in STL is Euclid between FPP and Lindell.
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This doesn’t make any sense. Should I feel owned? Because I don’t.dweebe wrote: ↑Jul 17, 2023What did they do in the 1970s?JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jul 15, 2023Chicago closed State street in 70s and 80s. It was a huge flop.
Cars are fine on streets just design the streets to (i) make the cars drive slowly and (ii) prioritize the needs of the pedestrian, cyclist, and mass transit user first.
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Great news, but what do you think is behind the 63101 decrease of 13%?
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Less in-office people and fewer retail options river adjacent. Ruth Chris was closed for quite some time as well.
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I’ll have to look under the hood and see what’s happening. There is a way to do zipcode and industry code but it’s alot of work that I’m not doing for free
I haven't read the report, but according to Downtown St. Louis, Inc.:
"NEW REPORT from Cushman & Wakefield: Downtown St. Louis has one of the highest occupancy rates in the United States. The metro’s central business district occupancy rate beats Nashville, Kansas City, Dallas, and Chicago.
Read the details: bit.ly/3DmaW4e #StLouis #STL
"NEW REPORT from Cushman & Wakefield: Downtown St. Louis has one of the highest occupancy rates in the United States. The metro’s central business district occupancy rate beats Nashville, Kansas City, Dallas, and Chicago.
Read the details: bit.ly/3DmaW4e #StLouis #STL
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Does this include 909 Chestnut or is it no included since there’s proposals for it to be mixed use?
^ It does not. Office occupancy is always a bit weird, because if the space is "off the market" it is not included in occupancy, or if you have an owner occupied building with no space actively leased that space is also not considered. 909 Chestnut is a good example...
It is not included in the counts, because it is off market
When it was still AT&T, but largely vacant it was also not counted in vacancy figures
Similarly, the Railway Exchange and Chemical Building are not in the count
This is the same for all cities.
It is not included in the counts, because it is off market
When it was still AT&T, but largely vacant it was also not counted in vacancy figures
Similarly, the Railway Exchange and Chemical Building are not in the count
This is the same for all cities.
Baileys' Range to close in downtown St. Louis at the end of the month
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... f7cf6.html
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... f7cf6.html
Their food has failed to impress for a while now. They were coasting.bprop wrote:Baileys' Range to close in downtown St. Louis at the end of the month
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... f7cf6.html
Very mediocre place from a customer perspective, and judging from the comments on Reddit they weren't great about employee treatment either.