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Early signs indicate (to me) that the Gov made a good choice in Gore. Wonder how frequently we’ll be updated on this massive case backlog.

Five more prosecutors hired by St. Louis Circuit Attorney Gabe Gore

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... -top-story

dweebe wrote: ↑

Jun 18, 2023

If this was an Air B-n-B, just outlaw them downtown and downtown west. All of them.

This right here, there is no reason to have AirBnBs downtown

My initial thought was that it was another Airbnb too, but the most recent Post-Dispatch article seems to identify it as an unsecured office building. Sounds like homeless people have been getting in for a while and some of these teens must have known about it.

That’s an open and functioning office building with tenants.  Seems like one of the teens got access from taking their parents access card.    The building isn’t just wide open to walk in whenever you want, it’s open during biz hours

Hope that kid didn't get their parent fired.

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑

Jun 18, 2023

Hope that kid didn't get their parent fired.

I hope the kids, adults, and parents are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  Accountability is powerful.  Ignorance is unacceptable.  For what it is worth, if this happened at my office, I'd assume and expect to be fired/expelled and potential legally liable for all of the damages.

Halfway point approaching. Assuming each patrol area does as poor/well as the first half of the year.

(01/01-06/25/23) (2023 Est.) (2022 total) (‘22 - ‘23 %)

North Patrol: (45)(91)(112) (-19%)
Central Patrol: (27)(55)(55) (0%)
South Patrol: (9)(18)(33) (-45%)

City: (82)(164)(200) (-18%)

A different methodology, using last 10 years, shows that the first six months average 43% of that years final number. 82 divided by 43% = citywide total of 190.

That report is showing the Kansas City total at 97 and it's not correct. Kansas City is now at 99. 

Hoping Saint Louis sees a downward trend in M's, which would mean a YoY decrease for 2+ consecutive years. It would tremendously help the goal of reversing the half century population loss that has devestated Missouri's once largest city.  The per capita numbers will still likely be high enough to be in the top 5 for the USA but it's encouraging for such a violent place to show signs of getting better.

As for KC, I'm ashamed that with all her progress, the murder rate has gone up and looks to be on pace to be twice as high per capita as infamous and overblown chicago. My friend Jasity was one of the recent victim's and I'm ashamed of how violence has gotten worse in a city that has consistently been in the top 10 for America's killing habit.

As for the people on this board, if you care about Saint Louis and have a half a heart towards the victims out West in the City of Fountains, I urge you to support SensibleMissouri

^I think I can pretty easily get behind that, and I think it's something all of us in urban Missouri want to see.

We are at 83 at half way point, same as last year. We were on a lower pace but May was brutal. Last year July was 18 and August 32, basically those two months will decide if we have 200 again or 170-180 this year

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jul 05, 2023

Thanks for the stats, quick question(s): Are each of these separate instances or can one incident be listed as both person and property crime (ie. assault and robbery in the same incident)? Also if there are 2 victims in the same event does that count as 2 instances or one in the tables?

_nomad_ wrote: ↑

Jul 05, 2023

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jul 05, 2023

Thanks for the stats, quick question(s): Are each of these separate instances or can one incident be listed as both person and property crime (ie. assault and robbery in the same incident)? Also if there are 2 victims in the same event does that count as 2 instances or one in the tables?

So starting in 2021 every crime during one incident with one victim is reported- ie if I steal your car but also shot you, todays data will count both; one crime in person category and one in property category. Now pre 2021, the shooting is the only thing that would be reflected in the data. So there is really no good way to compare pre 2021 to anything after 2021. That’s just the way the FBI now wants the data

If I hit up a parking lot and break into 2 cars and go across the street into another parking lot and break into 2 cars there; this data will reflect 2 crimes.
Some instances the 2 break ins in the same lot by the same suspect may get counted twice if there is some circumstance that it would make sense to do that

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jul 05, 2023

_nomad_ wrote: ↑

Jul 05, 2023

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jul 05, 2023

Thanks for the stats, quick question(s): Are each of these separate instances or can one incident be listed as both person and property crime (ie. assault and robbery in the same incident)? Also if there are 2 victims in the same event does that count as 2 instances or one in the tables?

So starting in 2021 every crime during one incident with one victim is reported- ie if I steal your car but also shot you, todays data will count both; one crime  in person category and one in property category.    Now pre 2021, the shooting is the only thing that would be reflected in the data. So there is really no good way to compare pre 2021 to anything after 2021.   That’s just the way the FBI now wants the data

If I hit up a parking lot and break into 2 cars and go across the street into another parking lot and break into 2 cars there; this data will reflect 2 crimes.
Some instances the 2 break ins in the same lot by the same suspect may get counted twice if there is some circumstance that it would make sense to do that

Thanks for the explanation, seems like we're on the right track overall

Here is how total crime looks like over the last 4.5 years.   I don’t know what a good rule would be to use to figure out a comp or close to it, I have to talk to some SLMPD crime data people and get an idea generally how many crimes happen in a single incident.  Just as any example since everyone knows about it- trump was charged with 37 counts for one incident of stealing classified docs, using that scenario for this data pre 2021 it would only show up as the single charging crime instead of 37 like post 2021.

There is also another wrinkly in this, the report blends charged and also reported where nobody has been charged yet.  So if any officer shows up on a scene and victim says I was robbed and my car stolen the report will reflect a robbery and theft of car, eventually the suspect may get charged with 3 different things if they’re caught and I suspect SLMPD does back and changes that because I noticed 2022 monthly data is sometimes different from time it was posted for example for June 2022 vs what June 2022 shows in the June 2023 report as YoY comp.


2023- 27,108 (through June)
2022- 58,453
2021- 57,308
Switch to report all crimes during an incident
2020- 23,635
2019-24,455

The jump from 2021 to 2022 is ALL from stolen Hyundais and Kias, everything else was done from 2021 to 2022 and that’s also the case for 2023 YTD, if you take out just the stolen cars of those 2 models, we would be down year to year through June for total crime

I almost bought an obscenely beautiful house in Mount Pleasant.

Then I looked at the 2022 and 2023 homicide maps an thought about coming and going with my kid in the dark in the winter.

throatybeard wrote: ↑

Jul 12, 2023

I almost bought an obscenely beautiful house in Mount Pleasant.

Then I looked at the 2022 and 2023 homicide maps an thought about coming and going with my kid in the dark in the winter.

Do you think people just get randomly shot in Mount pleasant? I think you have a much much higher chance of a random car jacking shooting in Shaw than MP

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jul 14, 2023

throatybeard wrote: ↑

Jul 12, 2023

I almost bought an obscenely beautiful house in Mount Pleasant.

Then I looked at the 2022 and 2023 homicide maps an thought about coming and going with my kid in the dark in the winter.

Do you think people just get randomly shot in Mount pleasant? I think you have a much much higher chance of a random car jacking shooting in Shaw than MP

You may be right but it’s hard to deny how fast and seriously that part of the city has deteriorated.