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Because there is no evidence.  It makes no sense whatsoever.  There is more evidence that the 911 system is better this year than it was last year.  So maybe crime is down even more.

A lot of people are conflating medical response 911 to crime reporting 911

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑

Aug 09, 2023

You are telling me these crimes, experienced in my neighborhood, that never got through to 911 nor a police follow up, were reported accurately through a 3 minute phone call with an operator on the non emergency line?

I think he's saying that 911 response time in the city has always been sh*t and was likely worse in years past.   So, what you experienced with 911 and crime reporting in 2023 likely happened in 2018, 2013, 2008, etc.  And, was likely worse in 2018, 2013 and 2008.  So, crime stats wise, it's a wash. 

I also think social media has made any crime way way more visible in 2023.  Pre-social media, you'd only hear about most neighborhood crimes from live conversations with neighbors or neighborhood meetings. Now, you know if a break-in, clouting, robbery, burglary, car theft, etc happened hours after it went down. Perhaps ignorance was bliss.....perhaps.

Now, for all the stats showing crime is down, my gut reaction? So what. There's still way way too much crime in the region. It's a dangerous region for way way way too many citizens. What to do about it, barring a complete revisit of the 2nd amendment? No idea.  Zero. America.

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑

Aug 09, 2023

^That would corroborate my theory that the presented overall crime numbers are better than actual, but for both years - if that is what DB is intimating. 

Again, pre-pandemic I lived in Benton Park, and had reasons to call the Police on several occasions across the years.  I always got an answer, and a squad car always followed up.  

No so much anymore.  

to this point though - even if they've been historically slow and are the same now, 911 response times are way way way too long.  (I say that as someone who fully believes that comparing the 'STL of then" to the "STL of now" has value.  Same with comparing STL to other cities. There is value but too many things are sh*tty in STL and just because it was shittier in the past and it's just as sh*tty elsewhere doesn't absolve it.)

The Board of Adjustment will hold a revocation hearing in the revocation of variances, with conditions and an occupancy permit for the gas station at 1401 Chouteau at 14th St. at its Aug 30th meeting.

So far august is continuing julys decline in homicides, 4 through 10 days. (33 last year and 23 average august the last 5 years)

Also through July

2020- 1784 (in July alone that year there was 55 homicides)
2019- 1538
2018- 1419
2017- 1419 (yes same as 18)
2016- 1205
2015- 1334

Excluding the weed related shooting near SLU yesterday… any whispers or mentions of a correlation between weed legalization and gang crime or activity in the city?

When will people learn not to rob their drug dealers? You'll either end up shot immediately, arrested, or end up the victim of a revenge killing. At a minimum, you're gonna have to find a new drug dealer. Not worth it.

A nonprofit that supports local police is spending $860,000 to put additional officers on patrol in downtown St. Louis through a pilot program spearheaded by the department's new chief. The initiative pays officers about $70 an hour in overtime pay and is funded by the St. Louis Police Foundation.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 55e59.html

^Where public governance fails, private governance fills the void. See also the growth in Special Business (policing) Districts operating private security forces in all of the city's more affluent neighborhoods. Coming next, armed citizen patrols. I'm only slightly exaggerating, but this is the path we're on. Rex Sinquefiled's candidates and projects may be  perennial losers at the local ballot box, but his libertarian utopia (or hellscape, depending on your POV) is nonetheless coming to fruition thanks to the ineptitude of civic leadership.

pattimagee wrote:

Really interesting article. The more I read it and review the data in the linked dashboard the more I believe Biden and Dems should be the one taking credit.

Macroeconomic conditions improved and crime went down in many cities across the US by 20% or more. It could just be the calm after the storm, but one could definitely argue that a different set of policies and priorities could’ve taken the US higher.

KSDk - Emergency bill would hire contracted dispatchers to help answer 911 calls in St. Charles County


https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... f01f0f851e

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑

Aug 24, 2023

https://fox2now.com/news/fox-files/st-l ... break-ins/

Same thing I've been pushing on.  Systemic changes leading to failures in reporting /response which leads to citizen fatigue which leads to even less reporting.   

Two people who can't be bothered to call and file the report are your reference point for lower crime from less reporting of it?

August homicides: 13, that’s -60% vs August 2022, -43% vs 5 year August average & -38% vs a 10 year August average.

YTD homicides through August are the lowest since 2014 & -21% over 2022, -25% over 5 year average & -20% over 10 year average

Rest of crime data next week