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My current Ameren Illinois bill is a whopping $643. In Illinois the electric and gas are in the same bill whereas in in MO you get an Ameren for electric and Spire for gas. I think together it's roughly 250 currently in MO. In FL, my Duke energy bill is roughly 100. Lots of variables here but energy bills are absolutely killing people right now.

I'm on the hook for all of these because I'm a nice guy and perhaps the world's dumbest landlord. But hey, I'd rather be nice and dumb instead of a greedy a**hole I guess.

Anyway, energy bills, yeah, really hurting people especially in IL.

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2023

Not only are Illinois’ taxes high, but they are also very regressive. And for how much Chicagoans like to look down at a red state like Missouri, they sure looked beet red when they destroyed Pritzker’s sensible income tax plan.

I continue to believe taxation is theft and I’m glad that Illinoisans killed a tax plan. Unless you’re a veteran, Illinois doesn’t appeal to a lot of people. Growing up in Missouri with family dotted across the state of Illinois, I’d always hear jokes that the state is so broke that soon they’ll be taxing the air you breathe as a way to reduce debt, keep up pensions, and continue lining the pockets of Chicago politicians, and will give you an I Owe You check when you win $250 or more on a scratch off.

I’m surprised Chicago doesn’t have an earnings tax. If they had that, that should free up some money for things elsewhere in the state. But, maybe they should keep it that way. Let people keep more of their hard earned money and spend it how they like.

That's one house. $643. No late fees, past due or anything. One legit bill. Granted, it s a large, leaky house but damn. Call up any friends or family in Illinois and ask em about their Ameren bill. You won't get off the phone quickly.

Not to get too far into weeds but I'm helping out a few people here and there despite being pretty solidly middle-class. Everybody just trying to survive. The Illinois situation is in a city that used to have a five large public high schools and the obligatory large Catholic school. Now it's got two public high schools and the Catholic.

But the houses where everyone used to live still remain.....

^ good thing Biden gave American cities $300,000,000,000 including $498,000,000 to this one

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2023

^ good thing Biden gave American cities $300,000,000,000 including $498,000,000 to this one

I don't see it.

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/r ... /projects/

https://insights.arcgis.com/#/view/2f02 ... 4de648f67c

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2023

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/r ... /projects/

https://insights.arcgis.com/#/view/2f02 ... 4de648f67c

Thanks for posting seriously. That second link...it's worse than I thought OMFG. I mean, all this never works out, sorry, jaded. But I'm rooting for it all.

Illinois give assessment breaks to senior home owners. MO doesn't. My brother's property and utility bills in Sangamon County are quite reasonable. $2,659 in property taxes on a 2500 sf house on an acre lot in the county's best school district.  Are your tenants keeping it at 75 all winter? Also note who are net takers in the state - 

State tax dollars benefit downstate region more than others

https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/artic ... 384984.php 

Thanks for posting that info. I must say that I'm nowhere near a senior though.

Idk, in Illinois you are either a taker or a maker. I got a friend who refuses to work, total stoner, milks the welfare system and got brand new, free furnace installed in a collapsing house meanwhile I get $643 bill. Illinois is a socialist welfare State. That's why it's dying. But affordable! If you can stomach the lifestyle.

While I'm not going to claim it's booming, the population estimates that I posted that started this latest discussion were bad, it gained 250k in population2010-2020, while MO gained 166k. I wonder how much of that big drop is due to lower immigration. You can see a big negative domestic migration number and a big plus for Florida, that is probably seniors moving. 

GDP growth seems pretty good compared to MO.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/596 ... dp-growth/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/306 ... dp-growth/

My theory is. DO THE OPPOSITE

quincunx wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2023

While I'm not going to claim it's booming, the population estimates that I posted that started this latest discussion were bad, it gained 250k in population2010-2020, while MO gained 166k. I wonder how much of that big drop is due to lower immigration. You can see a big negative domestic migration number and a big plus for Florida, that is probably seniors moving. 

GDP growth seems pretty good compared to MO.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/596 ... dp-growth/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/306 ... dp-growth/

Yes but what’s to be believed? The single data point in 2020 saying Illinois gained 250K residents or the past 9 years of census estimates showing Illinois is hemorrhaging residents? They are not both accurate.

You believe whatever supports your narrative.

quincunx wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2023

Illinois give assessment breaks to senior home owners. MO doesn't. My brother's property and utility bills in Sangamon County are quite reasonable. $2,659 in property taxes on a 2500 sf house on an acre lot in the county's best school district.  Are your tenants keeping it at 75 all winter? Also note who are net takers in the state - 

State tax dollars benefit downstate region more than others

https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/artic ... 384984.php 

As someone born and raised in deep southern Illinois, I can tell you that the premise of the article is not true.

People in southern Illinois believe their taxes are mismanaged and fund programs/initiatives that they don’t value. Not that all their money gets spent in Chicago.

They also don’t like that the state public education funding formula means Chicago Public Schools gets nearly 50% of its funding from the state (everyone else is lucky to get 25). Southern Illinoisans further dislike that they are now on the hook for the CPS pensions system.

They also don’t like the state chose to underfund SIU so terribly. In the 1960s and 1970s SIU had developed into world renown University and the Illinois general assembly didn’t care. They let Delyte Morris’s vision die on the vine in no small part because of their bigotry against Southern Illinois. Illinois should have two high end public universities like Indiana, Michigan, and Iowa. And it doesn’t because the northern part of state doesn’t give a damn about the southern part.

And of course, let’s not forget that the those in control of the state totally oppose southern Illinois’ efforts to ply its single economic competitive advantage: fossil fuel production.

Census Bureau: Illinois may have been undercounted in 2020 census

https://www.capitolnewsillinois.com/NEW ... 020-census

quincunx wrote: ↑

Jan 17, 2023

Census Bureau: Illinois may have been undercounted in 2020 census

https://www.capitolnewsillinois.com/AMP ... -2349.html

This doesn’t explain the discrepancy between the estimates and the actual census.

Idk, the city of St. Louis estimates were way off during the 2000s.

Here are the IL estimates 2010-19
12,840,503 12,867,454 12,882,510 12,895,129 12,884,493 12,858,913 12,820,527 12,778,828 12,723,071 12,671,821

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Jan 17, 2023

I don’t have a narrative. 

Would expect nothing less from a Notre Dame fan.

"I'm not saying these things, they are saying them, I'm just repeating them.  Plus, I, like no one else on earth, don't have a narrative."