So much for the popular narrative that every singe last resident is fleeing Illinois.
Texas and Florida were both also undercounted (by 1.9% and 3.5%, respectively), so it's possible that both of those states potentially should have gained one more seat each than they did. Massachusetts, New York, and Minnesota were all significantly overcounted, so they may each have one more seat now than they should.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑May 19, 2022^ yes but in 1999 SCOTUS ruled that under/over counts cannot change the House seats after the fact.
2010- 12,830,632
2020- original 12,812,508
2020- 2% undercounted added- 13,068,758
+238,126 since 2010
How do they determine if the counts were accurate without recounting? I think they need to do another count next year.
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How We Measure Coverage Error
The Census Bureau has a long history of measuring coverage error in the decennial census.
DA was first used to evaluate coverage in the 1960 Census, while post-enumeration surveys were used as far back as 1950.
Although both DA and the PES produce alternative estimates of the U.S. population to compare to the census counts, there are key differences in the methods used:
DA uses vital records, survey and population register data on international migration, and Medicare enrollment to build an estimate of the total U.S. population.
The PES uses a technique called dual-system estimation that asks a sample of people where they were living on the day of the census and matches their information to census results.
The Census Bureau has a long history of measuring coverage error in the decennial census.
DA was first used to evaluate coverage in the 1960 Census, while post-enumeration surveys were used as far back as 1950.
Although both DA and the PES produce alternative estimates of the U.S. population to compare to the census counts, there are key differences in the methods used:
DA uses vital records, survey and population register data on international migration, and Medicare enrollment to build an estimate of the total U.S. population.
The PES uses a technique called dual-system estimation that asks a sample of people where they were living on the day of the census and matches their information to census results.
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I'm rooting hard for Illinois and Metro East, even if I don't really want to live on that side of the metro.
I saw an article in STL Magazine about the Enjoy Illinois 300 and how it could hopefully portend more large events taking place on that side of the river. I hope for their sake, for our region's sake, that it is just the beginning for them.
I saw an article in STL Magazine about the Enjoy Illinois 300 and how it could hopefully portend more large events taking place on that side of the river. I hope for their sake, for our region's sake, that it is just the beginning for them.
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The key to the metro east is a vibrant and growing downtown East St. Louis. Getting momentum going in that area should be a statewide priority.
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^Agreed - would be a huge win for St. Louis MO if EastSTL could get some positive momentum... or at least if our big STL metro Illinois counties started creeping toward the river.
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More than that, it should be a regional priority. I have little faith Illinois would ever make the St. Louis metro area any kind of priority. And many reasons to think they would do quite the opposite. The Illinois state government has been working against St. Louis far longer than the Missouri state government. Since before the Civil War, even. You can see it in old railroad charters, for instance. A friend who is looking for a house has used some kind of official sounding Illinois website that recommends against buying anywhere west of Belleville, at least in the general area where he is looking. (South side of the metro.) I should find out more details. I pointed out that there are some nice houses in Granite, but I'm not sure I could recommend someone buy in East St. Louis with a clear conscience. (Not sure I couldn't either, but I'd be very hesitant.) So I suppose the question is what can we do as a region to fix that, even without the support of the Illinois state government.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑May 20, 2022The key to the metro east is a vibrant and growing downtown East St. Louis. Getting momentum going in that area should be a statewide priority.
The fits and starts, zig-zag, spaghetti noodle, sharp right turns, ‘where am I?’ insanity of Route 3’s journey along the ESL riverfront is an object lesson of all the reasons I wouldn’t live in the Illinois.
I’ll go so far as to say IL 3 has subconsciously shaped a lot of what Missourians think of Illinois.
I’ll go so far as to say IL 3 has subconsciously shaped a lot of what Missourians think of Illinois.
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I'm personally hoping that E. St. Louis can snatch some federal highway wrecking money for that mess.
^ They won’t. But there are plans for a new Route 3, some of which has already been built:
https://idot.illinois.gov/Assets/upload ... 20Doc5.pdf
https://idot.illinois.gov/Assets/upload ... 20Doc5.pdf
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That picture isn't loading for me for some reason. If they're going to reconfigure it in a way that makes sense, I am all for it.
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How can you say that when all those spaghetti noodles weave through and around so many railroad yards? (And around the ruins of even more.) Geeze! I'm taking away your railfan card. If I can figure out where I put my own, anyway.shadrach wrote: ↑May 20, 2022The fits and starts, zig-zag, spaghetti noodle, sharp right turns, ‘where am I?’ insanity of Route 3’s journey along the ESL riverfront is an object lesson of all the reasons I wouldn’t live in the Illinois.
I’ll go so far as to say IL 3 has subconsciously shaped a lot of what Missourians think of Illinois.
Even that's convoluted. I'm sure there's reasons but, good grief....sc4mayor wrote: ↑May 21, 2022^ They won’t. But there are plans for a new Route 3, some of which has already been built:
https://idot.illinois.gov/Assets/upload ... 20Doc5.pdf
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The Census Bureau recently released demographic components for the 2021 County Population Estimates. With this data along with city population estimates, it appears that while we were among a large number of cities that saw population loss from 2020-2021 (many for the first time in years), the demographic changes in Saint Louis City (County) were atypical from the general trend.
Nationally, population loss in most cities was concentrated among 20-34 yr. old non-Hispanic whites, but in Saint Louis City the population decline was more evenly dispersed among age groups and was driven by the loss of Black population, which was double that of whites. This continues the general pattern of steep decline in STL City's Black population since 2000 compared to whites.
Here's a brief twitter thread with some relevant links.
Nationally, population loss in most cities was concentrated among 20-34 yr. old non-Hispanic whites, but in Saint Louis City the population decline was more evenly dispersed among age groups and was driven by the loss of Black population, which was double that of whites. This continues the general pattern of steep decline in STL City's Black population since 2000 compared to whites.
Here's a brief twitter thread with some relevant links.
That's interesting, though I tend to take the Census estimates with a grain of salt considering how big the discrepancies can be compared with the actual 10 year census.
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I was thinking...... Does anyone have any insight on population trends related to post-covid remote work. I have heard of people leaving STL to live in places like Florida, now that their employer has gone 100% remote and allows workers to live anywhere. Would you think that this will end up causing our region to lose people, gain people that want to move back home or break even? I have a friend that was working out of town that came home to STL due to remote work. I was just curious if anybody is tracking this data.
I don't have any data, but my hunch is that we'd break even. After all, that's been this region's modus operandi for decades: treading water.
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https://www.stlannex.com/blogs_2022/blo ... page-start
Good breakdown of 2020 vs 1990
City has gotten dramatically more diverse when you look at this 30 year period.
Good breakdown of 2020 vs 1990
City has gotten dramatically more diverse when you look at this 30 year period.
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What's the one 90% white neighborhood left in St. Louis?
It has to be in southwest city, right? Lindenwood Park? Francis Park?
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It has to be in southwest city, right? Lindenwood Park? Francis Park?
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And that is ok right? Does the Hill need "fixed"? Personally, I wouldn't live around so may spaghetti slurpers but thats just me.PeterXCV wrote: ↑Jul 15, 2022It's The Hill.
Should I do a little happy dance because there is some black people living around?
I don't get all this diversity chat. It's actually totally normal and also completely unnecessary.
I don't see Finland and Kenya begging for diversity. They're fine. This is white American liberal garbage.