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StlToday - How much did it cost St. Louis County to delay convention center bonds? An extra $88 million

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 9801b.html

Borderline criminal.

Pretty good summary on how the bidding on convention expansion played out the last year.  Not anything new just what is already, or maybe another way to put it is fragmentation in part does have a price with convention center being one more example but nothing new to the thread group.  In fairness, some of the cost is also tight market with significant construction going on in the region as referenced in the article as well.   So the reality is perfect storm of delays driven by fragmentation, inflationary and a very tight construction market

https://www.enr.com/articles/54213-how- ... 1021934J9T

quincunx wrote: ↑

Dec 02, 2021

$85M building permit application submitted for first project of the convention center expansion. Loading docks

Issued

What is included in the first part?

sc4mayor wrote: ↑

May 07, 2022

Dome authority may get new powers to spend Rams settlement money
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 45d6b.html

stlouis needs to expand the dome and host the Superbowl, also get the Chargers football team.  stlouis has not been attracting conventions due to conventions not happening so much in the new tech no touch bad people skill era.  stlouis should be hosting as many conventions as possible right now to build back up tourism and foot traffic in the core areas of downtown. i worked for a company located here in stlouis that booked conventions for other cities back when stlouis did not have many hotels and convention space at all downtown.  stlouis needs to be more effective using what we have, not wasting taxpayers' money remodeling and reconstructing same things. busch stadium was an interesting remodel?  during these processes things that were already struggling due to lack of creativity and not sustaining staple money making infrastructure. some idiots decided to remove amphitheater and waterfall design from keiner plaza now look at it? calecos is closed? some other idiots (im tripping are these people from out of town?) idiots decide to remodel arch grounds. that move killed the Landing and Arch business neither has recouped. the core day to day foot traffic area of downtown needs conventions right now any and all sizes.  stlouis downtown can also use any events that can bring sustainable daytime foot traffic in the downtown area. using the dome and current convention and event space is better ideal in the short and long run from experience we see. when was keiner plaza redone? (2015-2017/2022) when were arch grounds redone? (2013-2018/2022) 7-10 years and the results aren't the best stlouis could do. both the riverfront and keiner plaza businesses are suffering downtown is suffering and needs some real revitlaization. from past experience it doesn't look like this convention project necessary. stlouis people that keep it real and believe in traditions family and work ethics of the foundation of life and this country things need to change for real and not on the surface changing landscape. get down in the dirt you must plant better for better harvests. we need better organization better leaders better small business better momentums better social quality of life, better projects better building. we shouldn't build back worser. build back better. thx

^Interesting thoughts, but could you please insert things such as punctuation marks, capital letters, and paragraphs to make your posts a bit easier to read? 

Kiener opened in late 17 or early 18 not sure why you’re referencing 22. Arch grounds was 18 as well and the product of it was not totally on STL. You can blame national parks for not allowing the designer to do much of anything different other than the bridge over it and the area connecting it to the courthouse.

Also maybe a bad opinion idk but calecos wasn’t that great.

Can we stop quibbling about getting an NFL? The league clearly has issues internally. Instead read the downtown page as I agree with DB. Downtown needs to diversify instead of relying on office, sport, and tourist. Convert these big buildings into some residential get people downtown to live not just to visit.

LArchitecture wrote: ↑

Jul 16, 2022

Kiener opened in late 17 or early 18 not sure why you’re referencing 22. Arch grounds was 18 as well and the product of it was not totally on STL. You can blame national parks for not allowing the designer to do much of anything different other than the bridge over it and the area connecting it to the courthouse.

Also maybe a bad opinion idk but calecos wasn’t that great.

Can we stop quibbling about getting an NFL? The league clearly has issues internally. Instead read the downtown page as I agree with DB. Downtown needs to diversify instead of relying on office, sport, and tourist. Convert these big buildings into some residential get people downtown to live not just to visit.

Just had a thread on this

Lol the Chargers aren't moving they just broke ground on offices in El Segundo and get to play in the gem of NFL stadiums. St. Louis was lucky it poached the Rams and got a Super Bowl parade and two decades of NFL out of it.

sc4mayor wrote: ↑

Jul 16, 2022

^ Enough with the NFL, this thread is for the convention center expansion.

Agreed.  NFL is gone and it isn't coming back.  

88NRODGERS wrote: ↑

Jul 16, 2022

sc4mayor wrote: ↑

May 07, 2022

Dome authority may get new powers to spend Rams settlement money
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 45d6b.html

stlouis needs to expand the dome and host the Superbowl, also get the Chargers football team.  stlouis has not been attracting conventions due to conventions not happening so much in the new tech no touch bad people skill era.  stlouis should be hosting as many conventions as possible right now to build back up tourism and foot traffic in the core areas of downtown. i worked for a company located here in stlouis that booked conventions for other cities back when stlouis did not have many hotels and convention space at all downtown.  stlouis needs to be more effective using what we have, not wasting taxpayers' money remodeling and reconstructing same things. busch stadium was an interesting remodel?  during these processes things that were already struggling due to lack of creativity and not sustaining staple money making infrastructure. some idiots decided to remove amphitheater and waterfall design from keiner plaza now look at it? calecos is closed? some other idiots (im tripping are these people from out of town?) idiots decide to remodel arch grounds. that move killed the Landing and Arch business neither has recouped. the core day to day foot traffic area of downtown needs conventions right now any and all sizes.  stlouis downtown can also use any events that can bring sustainable daytime foot traffic in the downtown area. using the dome and current convention and event space is better ideal in the short and long run from experience we see. when was keiner plaza redone? (2015-2017/2022) when were arch grounds redone? (2013-2018/2022) 7-10 years and the results aren't the best stlouis could do. both the riverfront and keiner plaza businesses are suffering downtown is suffering and needs some real revitlaization. from past experience it doesn't look like this convention project necessary. stlouis people that keep it real and believe in traditions family and work ethics of the foundation of life and this country things need to change for real and not on the surface changing landscape. get down in the dirt you must plant better for better harvests. we need better organization better leaders better small business better momentums better social quality of life, better projects better building. we shouldn't build back worser. build back better. thx

Smells like troll. That or a bot farm employee using this place as a tryout.

STLEnginerd wrote: ↑

Jul 18, 2022

^DB is that 10,000 miles stat legit?  thats like 10 miles daily for 2 1/2 years with no days off.  Not impossible but dang you would go through some shoes. 

just ran the numbers on the fitbit dash-
01/01/2020 to 07/17/2022: 10,367 miles walked for 11.17 per day average (most i've done in a week was 135 miles in May 2020)
on top of the 10,367 walked i've also biked (mostly indoor) 13,224 miles in the same period. 

and yes i go through a lot of shoes 

dweebe wrote: ↑

Jul 18, 2022

88NRODGERS wrote: ↑

Jul 16, 2022

sc4mayor wrote: ↑

May 07, 2022

Dome authority may get new powers to spend Rams settlement money
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 45d6b.html

stlouis needs to expand the dome and host the Superbowl, also get the Chargers football team.  stlouis has not been attracting conventions due to conventions not happening so much in the new tech no touch bad people skill era.  stlouis should be hosting as many conventions as possible right now to build back up tourism and foot traffic in the core areas of downtown. i worked for a company located here in stlouis that booked conventions for other cities back when stlouis did not have many hotels and convention space at all downtown.  stlouis needs to be more effective using what we have, not wasting taxpayers' money remodeling and reconstructing same things. busch stadium was an interesting remodel?  during these processes things that were already struggling due to lack of creativity and not sustaining staple money making infrastructure. some idiots decided to remove amphitheater and waterfall design from keiner plaza now look at it? calecos is closed? some other idiots (im tripping are these people from out of town?) idiots decide to remodel arch grounds. that move killed the Landing and Arch business neither has recouped. the core day to day foot traffic area of downtown needs conventions right now any and all sizes.  stlouis downtown can also use any events that can bring sustainable daytime foot traffic in the downtown area. using the dome and current convention and event space is better ideal in the short and long run from experience we see. when was keiner plaza redone? (2015-2017/2022) when were arch grounds redone? (2013-2018/2022) 7-10 years and the results aren't the best stlouis could do. both the riverfront and keiner plaza businesses are suffering downtown is suffering and needs some real revitlaization. from past experience it doesn't look like this convention project necessary. stlouis people that keep it real and believe in traditions family and work ethics of the foundation of life and this country things need to change for real and not on the surface changing landscape. get down in the dirt you must plant better for better harvests. we need better organization better leaders better small business better momentums better social quality of life, better projects better building. we shouldn't build back worser. build back better. thx

Smells like troll. That or a bot farm employee using this place as a tryout.

your nose cant smell the bread baking at the wonderbread house, dead dogs burning on bway/hall st, white castles chinese food and barley and hops brewing from the A-Busch brewery. all the adults driving not walking the carbon monoxide can mess with your sense of smell as has covid, im sure you aint trying to have any parts of covid. and stlouis needs socio economic revitalization. this the hearltand. democratic city build back better. lets have 10 conventions of 3000 people or more before the end of 3rd begin 4th qtr $$$ and see some downtown foot traffic and really talk about remodeling a convention area for some people.  fr it smells like stlouisians need to kick in and really get active. peace rally promotion we need to build peace and antiviolence movement here and get this money up up up. this a democratic city build back better thx  ps lets make a positive move for democrats before next election? thirl thorough movement so stl its that time

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Chargers jump ship in the medium future. The fan base still hasn’t materialized for them.

They play second fiddle to the Rams in that town (and the Rams still had a hard time filling the stadium with Rams fans) Now that they won the Super Bowl that sucks even more oxygen out of the room for the Chargers.

Not saying that they will end up in STL, but I don’t know how sustainable their time in LA will be in the future