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There should be a large mural here:

kg2024 wrote: ↑

8:31 PM - Jul 08

There should be a large mural here:

There is one now, see downtown thread

Rick Prieto wrote: ↑

10:08 PM - Aug 20

kg2024 wrote: ↑

8:31 PM - Jul 08

There should be a large mural here:

There is one now, see downtown thread

Those are AI generated images... but yes would love to see something like that actually happen!

I need a job like this. Get pushed out and get a big golden parachute, then get back in 2 years later. 

https://www.stlpr.org/news-briefs/2026- ... ousted-her

dweebe wrote: ↑

4:16 PM - Sep 16

Interesting that he's going to the Dome after multiple previous concerts at Busch.

Maybe he thinks he can sell 10+K tickets? not sure.

In a related note, I attended the AC/DC show and, transparently, was pleased with how the space is holding up and how well it worked for a concert.  I was prepared to be annoyed and all of that.

Now, WTH are we gonna do long term with the dome part?  Even without an NFL team, it's an asset worthy of $$ upkeep but...how much? and when is it too old. I don't have good answers.

soulardx wrote:

dweebe wrote: ↑

4:16 PM - Sep 16

Interesting that he's going to the Dome after multiple previous concerts at Busch.

Maybe he thinks he can sell 10+K tickets? not sure.

In a related note, I attended the AC/DC show and, transparently, was pleased with how the space is holding up and how well it worked for a concert.  I was prepared to be annoyed and all of that.

Now, WTH are we gonna do long term with the dome part?  Even without an NFL team, it's an asset worthy of $$ upkeep but...how much? and when is it too old. I don't have good answers.

In the long term, St. Louis needs another NFL team, or else it just won’t make sense to maintain the dome. At a certain point, it just won’t be economical to put money into it to host only a few concerts and major events a year.

STLcommenter wrote: ↑

4:39 PM - Sep 16

soulardx wrote:

dweebe wrote: ↑

4:16 PM - Sep 16

Interesting that he's going to the Dome after multiple previous concerts at Busch.

Maybe he thinks he can sell 10+K tickets?  not sure.

In a related note, I attended the AC/DC show and, transparently, was pleased with how the space is holding up and how well it worked for a concert.  I was prepared to be annoyed and all of that.

Now, WTH are we gonna do long term with the dome part?  Even without an NFL team, it's an asset worthy of $$ upkeep but...how much? and when is it too old. I don't have good answers.

In the long term, St. Louis needs another NFL team, or else it just won’t make sense to maintain the dome. At a certain point, it just won’t be economical to put money into it to host only a few concerts and major events a year.

I cant really disagree but without the dome, could STL ever get shows/concerts that would want need a large venue?

I feel like they can get creative with it for sure. I think we should work to keep it in a state that it keeps attracting events. Getting things like a yearly college football bowl game, a yearly Tigers game, and maybe even hosting high school football could be ways to get use out of the building, but we would have to go out and advocate for that and work for it. Large scale soccer could also be an event. The Cardinals host a bunch of high school baseball games every season, for example, and have done soccer in the past.

Obviously there are certain events that we simply wouldn't get without it, like large concerts, monster trucks, and weird one-off events like the Catholic religious event happening next week. The whole reason that's happening here and bringing 70,000+ people to STL is because we have a large enough indoor stadium.

I think it's more than worth to spend money to keep the Dome viable as a host to large events, even if they don't happen as frequently as our other stadiums. The point of the Dome is not to make money in and of itself, the point is to bring in tourists who stay in downtown hotels and guests who will frequent downtown business.

They're also still leaving money on the table by not selling advertising on the building up to and including the naming rights. I refuse to believe they are unable to sell all the advertising they had in the Rams-era. It's insane how bare the building looks from I-44. Theyre obviously not gonna make NFL money on it, but theyre still leaving money on the table.

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It's not just a few events per year, the Dome stays busy as convention space as well.

southcitykid wrote:It's not just a few events per year, the Dome stays busy as convention space as well.

Explore STL website says an Avg. 35 events per year including concerts pre-Covid. I imagine that number is less now. FWIW, I’ve heard it will come down eventually by a decision maker.

ldai_phs wrote: ↑

1:34 PM - Sep 20

southcitykid wrote:It's not just a few events per year, the Dome stays busy as convention space as well.

Explore STL website says an Avg. 35 events per year including concerts pre-Covid. I imagine that number is less now. FWIW, I’ve heard it will come down eventually by a decision maker.

35 doesn’t seem too bad (3 weeks or weekends a month) when you figure all of those are a few days including setup and takedown. Plus before Battlehawks which adds a handful. 

ldai_phs wrote: ↑

1:34 PM - Sep 20

southcitykid wrote:It's not just a few events per year, the Dome stays busy as convention space as well.

Explore STL website says an Avg. 35 events per year including concerts pre-Covid. I imagine that number is less now. FWIW, I’ve heard it will come down eventually by a decision maker.

What jshank said; 35 sounds pretty reasonable to me. Especially when you add in games. I haven't made a careful study of the numbers, either before or after Covid. It took a hit for a while, and I know we have more competition now, which is why the updates are so important, but is there a reason to assume it's down? We've had some big shows since. (The big church convention that caused chaos at T2, the giant tech show, and several large concerts like the Stones.) That's all pretty anecdotal, but it surely doesn't lead me to think the place is underutilized. Convention and entertainment venues are all a little like that. When there's a show on it's absolutely buzzing, but when there's not it can feel spookily quiet. A lot of venues where I've worked have a whole season when they're pretty dead; three months or more. (Thanks to the rhythms of life in a college town.) The dome doesn't seem to have that problem, at least.

As to the "it will come down eventually" part, well, yes, probably. Sporting venues are pretty disposable these days. I expect it will. But I wouldn't anticipate that being especially soon unless something extraordinary happens, like a new prospective tenant. There's been talk of the demolition of the Hearnes Center for just more than twenty years now; since the Mizzou Arena opened. I'm a bit out of the game, but it would appear that it's still there, and still in use. Even though I expect it's still just as quirky and difficult to use as it ever was, and twenty years older now. There were still enough tenants and events to use it, even with the new building. It all comes down to a question of operating costs and rental income. They're getting shows, so they have income. No reason to replace it right now.

symphonicpoet wrote:

ldai_phs wrote: ↑

1:34 PM - Sep 20

southcitykid wrote:It's not just a few events per year, the Dome stays busy as convention space as well.

Explore STL website says an Avg. 35 events per year including concerts pre-Covid. I imagine that number is less now. FWIW, I’ve heard it will come down eventually by a decision maker.

What jshank said; 35 sounds pretty reasonable to me. Especially when you add in games. I haven't made a careful study of the numbers, either before or after Covid. It took a hit for a while, and I know we have more competition now, which is why the updates are so important, but is there a reason to assume it's down? We've had some big shows since. (The big church convention that caused chaos at T2, the giant tech show, and several large concerts like the Stones.) That's all pretty anecdotal, but it surely doesn't lead me to think the place is underutilized. Convention and entertainment venues are all a little like that. When there's a show on it's absolutely buzzing, but when there's not it can feel spookily quiet. A lot of venues where I've worked have a whole season when they're pretty dead; three months or more. (Thanks to the rhythms of life in a college town.) The dome doesn't seem to have that problem, at least.

As to the "it will come down eventually" part, well, yes, probably. Sporting venues are pretty disposable these days. I expect it will. But I wouldn't anticipate that being especially soon unless something extraordinary happens, like a new prospective tenant. There's been talk of the demolition of the Hearnes Center for just more than twenty years now; since the Mizzou Arena opened. I'm a bit out of the game, but it would appear that it's still there, and still in use. Even though I expect it's still just as quirky and difficult to use as it ever was, and twenty years older now. There were still enough tenants and events to use it, even with the new building. It all comes down to a question of operating costs and rental income. They're getting shows, so they have income. No reason to replace it right now.

It’s not clear if those are full bowl events or not. US Bank Center claims 200+ events per year but I think they count events that don’t use the bowel at all (ie meetings held in the lounges and clubs).

Brad Dean was just on Fast Forward STL podcast and said the Dome is in use 200+ days a year. 

MOsloth22 wrote:Brad Dean was just on Fast Forward STL podcast and said the Dome is in use 200+ days a year. 

The 35 on their website must be full / partial bowl events then

There was a market study done recently, not sure where to find it. The Dome isn't going anywhere and $100M+ is already available for renovations, not including the new taxing district. The Dome is a competitive advantage that other cities cannot match. Explore St. Louis will be completing a campus master plan soon. The private operator is going to breathe new life into marketing and event attraction and invest millions into the facility. A corporate sponsor is in the near term also. 

Dome will out live every person on this forum. 

The dome is certainly a major economic asset, but I'd love to see it recladded or modernize it's exterior. I think it looks a little dated. 

It will not come down anytime soon.  this "decision maker" makes no decisions. 

The Beatification for Archbishop Sheen really drew the crowds from around the world this week. There were  lots of social media postings saying how much visitors were enjoying our city.

southcitykid wrote:The Beatification for Archbishop Sheen really drew the crowds from around the world this week. There were  lots of social media postings saying how much visitors were enjoying our city.

Has a global event happening in St. Louis ever been given such little local coverage as this event? I found it very surprising how quiet our local leadership was about this event. It was literally one of the largest religious events to happen in the U.S. in recent years and brought visitors from all around the world.

St. Louis was known as the Rome of the West for a reason so this seems like a huge missed opportunity to roll out the red carpet.

STLcommenter wrote:

southcitykid wrote:The Beatification for Archbishop Sheen really drew the crowds from around the world this week. There were  lots of social media postings saying how much visitors were enjoying our city.

Has a global event happening in St. Louis ever been given such little local coverage as this event? I found it very surprising how quiet our local leadership was about this event. It was literally one of the largest religious events to happen in the U.S. in recent years and brought visitors from all around the world.

St. Louis was known as the Rome of the West for a reason so this seems like a huge missed opportunity to roll out the red carpet.

It's pretty crazy because it was a huge economic boom for the city, especially downtown. A bunch of very high ranking prelates in the church were in attendence, including the Vatican's Ambassador to the US, tens of thousands of people from outside of St. Louis.

I haven't seen any posts about it from the mayor, or our "Catholic" governor or senator. City and state made so much money and positive attention from it and none of them had a word to say. The church does so much for immigrants, the poor, the homeless, etc in the city and the mayor can't set anything up, say anything? Is there no worthy collaboration to be had there? How can Mamdani collaborate with the Orthodox and Catholic leaders in NY but Spencer can't here with such a golden opportunity?

The event itself is indicative of why the Dome is still a great asset for the city, it's why they came here- it being the largest indoor arena to Peoria, IL. Would have probably been at Lucas Oil in Indianapolis had we not had the Dome.

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