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^ Do you think this new setup will lead to the Dome finally getting a major sponsor & advertisers? 

With regards to the Taylor Swift discussions a few weeks ago, let's keep in mind that 2018 Swift stop in STL was at Enterprise. The KC show was at Arrowhead & the Indy show was at Lucas Oil. Both significantly larger venues. (Obviously impacting attendance figures) 

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

12:22 PM - Apr 28

As part of this bill, the Dome is getting about $5m a year from the county hotel tax going forward, basically it closes its 10 year $155m maintenance need.  

Private operators should also be named soon.

Thought experiment - would STL County in 2026 agree to subsidize a downtown STL convention center to the tune of $5M/year? Keep in mind, I think it's wholly appropriate but....different world.

DogtownBnR wrote:^ Do you think this new setup will lead to the Dome finally getting a major sponsor & advertisers? 

With regards to the Taylor Swift discussions a few weeks ago, let's keep in mind that 2018 Swift stop in STL was at Enterprise. The KC show was at Arrowhead & the Indy show was at Lucas Oil. Both significantly larger venues. (Obviously impacting attendance figures) 

Taylor Swift was at the Dome in 2018 and drew nearly 48,000. She hasn't been at Enterprise since 2015 when she had 2 shows for a combined 30,000.

In 2013 she had 29k across 2 nights at Enterprise, in 2011 she had 28k across 2 nights at Enterprise, and 14k in 2009.

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^Yep, you're right...my bad.

I would guess she'd sell out in 2026 no matter where she plays, including STL, as her popularity has gone through the roof since the last time she was here. 

soulardx wrote: ↑

3:51 PM - Apr 28

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

12:22 PM - Apr 28

As part of this bill, the Dome is getting about $5m a year from the county hotel tax going forward, basically it closes its 10 year $155m maintenance need.  

Private operators should also be named soon.

Thought experiment - would STL County in 2026 agree to subsidize a downtown STL convention center to the tune of $5M/year?  Keep in mind, I think it's wholly appropriate but....different world.

Well, it is.  The bribe is they get $50m that the account already has to patch their deficits.  But going forward that money goes to the dome maintenance account and in about a decade grows to $15m a year.   It generates $15m a year now but $10m goes to various bonds related to sports complexes built in the county

^ A reminder of St. Louis County's financial situation. Government finance equivalent of trading in grandmas jewelry to pay down a credit card. 

When the Black Eyed Peas were at their peak they were the surprise musical act for the robotics convention. That was a great show! I wonder who they have on the schedule this year.

Just an idea for an exterior renovation motivated by all the press the exterior of the Dome has been getting. 

^ Nothing too flashy, but pretty amazing what some new/additional windows, lights, and just one logo/sign can do for it.  Would be a very welcomed refresh.

We can’t miss a golden opportunity to bring the CheckerDome name back!

I love the sentiment, but I'm afraid that looks more like a giant Rally's.

Heres my vision for a exterior renovation to the dome to match the new convention center and new transparent roof

There is going to be a multi day 60,000-80,000 person saint beatification convention at the dome at end of September. Expecting people from all over the world

Does anyone know if the tunnel from the Dome to the Casino is still open & in use for people going back & forth? It has been a long time since I used it. Just curious. 

DogtownBnR wrote: ↑

1:28 PM - Jun 17

Does anyone know if the tunnel from the Dome to the Casino is still open & in use for people going back & forth? It has been a long time since I used it. Just curious. 

I used it a year or two ago.

^ I guess it still being used then. Always thought that was a cool feature of the Dome. 

DogtownBnR wrote: ↑

1:28 PM - Jun 17

Does anyone know if the tunnel from the Dome to the Casino is still open & in use for people going back & forth? It has been a long time since I used it. Just curious. 

It's still open. We used it for most of the Battlehawks games. However the "people movers" are all non functioning at this point. 

Was in Indianapolis and was shocked by how similar yet different their downtown felt to STL.

- No homeless or easily discernible crime
- Streets were clean of trash and most buildings have either been renovated or torn down instead of being left to blight.
- Restaurant selection or lack thereof similar to downtown STL
- Probably has just as many dated hotels as downtown STL but a handful of newer ones on top that help them land all of these big events
- Marquee newer office buildings for Rolls Royce and Caterpillar, and a rooftop sign for Sales Force made the City feel a bit more leading edge
- Construction projects and cranes every few blocks, much of it centered on adding more hotels including a Ritz and another convention center hotel

It let like STL could catch up if we were willing to target demo of blighted properties + extensive hotel incentives.

There is A LOT of homeless in downtown Indianapolis, i walked 40 miles around its downtown in 3 days in oct. far more than here 

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

3:18 PM - Today

There is A LOT of homeless in downtown Indianapolis, i walked 40 miles around its downtown in 3 days in oct. far more than here 

What part did you go to? Have yet to see any or signs of any thus far. 

I stayed at the Conrad and pretty much walked every square inch of the place, lot around the soldiers memorial 

dbInSouthCity wrote:I stayed at the Conrad and pretty much walked every square inch of the place, lot around the soldiers memorial 

Sounds like we had the same physical experience but with entirely different takeaways. Might be a seasonal thing or based on convention traffic.

ldai_phs wrote:Was in Indianapolis and was shocked by how similar yet different their downtown felt to STL.

- No homeless or easily discernible crime
- Streets were clean of trash and most buildings have either been renovated or torn down instead of being left to blight.
- Restaurant selection or lack thereof similar to downtown STL
- Probably has just as many dated hotels as downtown STL but a handful of newer ones on top that help them land all of these big events
- Marquee newer office buildings for Rolls Royce and Caterpillar, and a rooftop sign for Sales Force made the City feel a bit more leading edge
- Construction projects and cranes every few blocks, much of it centered on adding more hotels including a Ritz and another convention center hotel

It let like STL could catch up if we were willing to target demo of blighted properties + extensive hotel incentives.

I actually lived in downtown Indy:

-Homelessness definitely exists lol.
-I saw the same amount of crime there as I've seen working downtown for 5 years now, none.
-Restaurant selection has way more chains to choose from, including Buffalo Wild Wings, Five Guys, Stake and Shaek, and Chick fil A.
-Hotel scene is way better than STL, which makes sense being a city that has made a genuine effort to cater to tourists as opposed to residents. They have a Conrad, JW Mariott, just built a Signia in a new skyscraper, and the Ritz is being developed by the Pacers.
-The new office buildings are suburban style hellscapes, one is barely downtown the other is in the suburbs. Salesforce moved in after Chase vacated the tower, not dissimilar to AT&T, except they got a new tenant immediately.

STL also has quite a few hotels in the pipeline, just none are new build whole Indy has 2 new build happening right now. So maybe they aren't as obvious.


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