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^This was a thought I had when they were building the loop trolley - that one from downtown to CWE was more appropriate.  Don't get me wrong, when first proposed I thought loop trolley was cool and had some potential, but I digress. 

The one change I would make to your plan would be to run it down Olive / Lindell all the way, rather than directly on Wash Ave, and terminate it at Tucker rather than all the way to 4th.  That wide roadway can handle it without causing the issues we've seen in the Loop, and while taking it to 4th makes sense, you could run the track around the library or park pacific and avoid the track switch.   You could have the line end at Lindell/Kingshighway and reconstruct the trolley barn at the SW corner of the intersection.

we're not going to spend $300,000,000 on a redundant line of transit through the central corridor when most of the City doesnt even have one

Shame how annoying it is to transfer at Grand. Anyways we're way off topic. There's a StL Streetcar thread for streetcar discussion.

How much would it cost to improve all of the roads/sidewalks/signals in downtown?   I did some high level guesstimates based on centerline miles of road in downtown (Jefferson to Cole to 44 to 64)


High End with repaving, pedestrian safety features and signal replacement: $  280,000,000
Example: upcoming 7^th Street Improvements ( $3.5M for .5 mile)
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... Size-1.pdf

The work — including new sidewalks, ramps, lighting, traffic signals, trees and a cycle track on the west side of the street, which will be repaved — is targeted for Seventh from Walnut Street north to Washington.
 
Mid-level improvements- repaving, some pedestrian safety and signal improvements- $140,000,000
Example: Currently under construction Louisianan Calm Streets Project in South City
https://nextstl.com/2017/09/funding-app ... t-project/
 
Low level- repaving roads and leaving everything else as is: $25,000,000

I haven’t posted a negative comment in a while but these kids now entering private property and fighting cops its gonna get one of them killed by a resident or police officer defending himself.

Curfew at midnight for kids is dumb! Curfew should start at 6 if unaccompanied by an adult.

Kid that breaks the law and break private property parent should be responsible. Everything was going so well I hope this summer doesn’t become another wild summer.




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^it’s the degradation of society. No rules and no consequences result in complete anarchy.

downtown2007 wrote: ↑

Jun 02, 2022

^it’s the degradation of society. No rules and no consequences result in complete anarchy.

It's more like decades of systemic poverty, lack of opportunity, and discrimination.  

Elizabeth Delores wrote:

downtown2007 wrote: ↑

Jun 02, 2022

^it’s the degradation of society. No rules and no consequences result in complete anarchy.

It's more like decades of systemic poverty, lack of opportunity, and discrimination.  

Regardless of your economic status you know what’s right and wrong. These kids knew it was wrong but did it because they have zero respect for authority or anyone else. And they knew they and their parents would suffer zero consequences.

Sad to see.

^Has it? Do you have some statistical evidence for that, or are you just relying on a couple of anecdotes?

thestlguy wrote: ↑

Jun 03, 2022

Bottom line, this seems to have gotten worse since the defund the police movement started during summer 2020. I remember people thought it was just because of the lack of people downtown, but this is clearly not the case. 

what movement? STL city increased its police budget by $1,000,000 since 2021,  at one point they took away $4m and next month added back $5m 

thestlguy wrote:Bottom line, this seems to have gotten worse since the defund the police movement started during summer 2020. I remember people thought it was just because of the lack of people downtown, but this is clearly not the case. 

Never have I encountered people breaking into a residential building to throw a party before 2020.

^That doesn't mean it didn't happen, and the particular reason why someone broke in probably doesn't mean much if it's your house that's wrecked. There were certainly break ins before 2020. Are there more now? We have statistics for this stuff. We don't need to rely on anecdotes.

There have been millions of reasons before Uvalde to never trust "police said" and especially after Uvalde, and especially shade Byers "sources"
I mean did anyone read how bizarrely that story ends? Something about moving next to a federal building

What that guy said about living next to a federal building was indeed weird. But that doesn’t change the fact that the events described did happen and happen far too often.