City to Blight 395 Acres Around SLU Medical

Mapguy · PostDec 18, 2021#2512021-12-18T01:01+00:00

rbb wrote:Here's a Mobil station in the base of a multi-story apartment building in Cambridge, MA. Google Maps

-RBB

Top photo is in the West End of DC and second photo is in Rossyln in Arlington. I walked past both of these everyday for 5 years when I lived in DC.

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dredger · PostDec 18, 2021#2522021-12-18T01:47+00:00

gone corporate wrote: ↑
Dec 17, 2021
Quick comment... A great argument to contest the QT is to bring up the needs of emergency vehicles on this particular stretch of Grand. I'd be against any potential new development that, as a regular function of its tenants' business model, has irregularly high vehicle traffic. So, I don't like drive-thru's here (even if that could mean a Chick-Fil-A drive-thru closer to my home). I'd recommend that whatever candidate wins not have a drive-thru option. That said, I kinda like the idea of a convenience store QT could operate, but only as a component of something bigger.

Downtown Mobile AL of all places has a Chick-FIl-A drive thru as part of a street level retail component of the parking garage built next to Battle House (restored hotel)

But fair point made as well as the question of how a successful drive thru would impact traffic, or the odd counter rotational traffic if street remains one way

quincunx · PostDec 18, 2021#2532021-12-18T18:47+00:00

Demo Alert: 3616 McRee Ave owned by QT adjacent to the Grand and Lafayette site.

Mapguy · PostDec 19, 2021#2542021-12-19T01:19+00:00

Mapguy wrote:
rbb wrote:Here's a Mobil station in the base of a multi-story apartment building in Cambridge, MA. Google Maps

-RBB

Top photo is in the West End of DC and second photo is in Rossyln in Arlington. I walked past both of these everyday for 5 years when I lived in DC.

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Here is the QT in Midtown Atlanta. No gas pumps. St Louis should limit QT footprints and also not all need to have pumps. I’ve also seen a good many Wawas like this in Philly and DC.

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tztag · PostDec 19, 2021#2552021-12-19T04:53+00:00

I still can’t believe SLU. I drive Grand all the time and there is a huge gas station a block away. Pure insanity and the fact the the city trusted them with the “blighted” area is a crime. I guess the fact that is is called Biondi Way says it all.

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symphonicpoet · PostDec 19, 2021#2562021-12-19T07:05+00:00

tztag wrote: ↑
Dec 19, 2021
I still can’t believe SLU. I drive Grand all the time and there is a huge gas station a block away. Pure insanity and the fact the the city trusted them with the “blighted” area is a crime. I guess the fact that is is called Biondi Way says it all.

^The Biondi Way silliness was supposed to be temporary. It's past time for those insults to architecture to come down. Honorary or not, I can't standing seeing his name everywhere when he did so much to knock down so many buildings for nothing.

quincunx wrote:Demo Alert: 3616 McRee Ave owned by QT adjacent to the Grand and Lafayette site.

How do we make sure this gets before the review board? And what can be done to dial down SLU's power, since they haven't displayed a good faith effort to manage the tiff for everyone's benefit?

quincunx · PostDec 19, 2021#2572021-12-19T14:01+00:00

Write CRO about it. Write the Ald about it. Tell Tiffany residents you know about it.

I don't know what can be done about the Chapter 353 redevel corporation. It's not a TIF, btw. Nor did it sell the land. That was SLU.

What's duplicitous is selling the idea of the 353 with talk like "signature development," get said 353, then sell the land for a gas station. Oh and raze the Pevely along the way.

PostDec 20, 2021#2582021-12-20T13:17+00:00

NextSTL - The Winner of the What Should Be at Grand and Lafayette Design Competition is …

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RockChalkSTL · PostDec 22, 2021#2592021-12-22T15:54+00:00

I was driving through the area last night, as I often do, and I began thinking about the QuikTrip proposal at Grand/Lafayette and how atrocious it is that something like that could even be considered in light of the fact that Target is going to be opening up a new location on Grand less than a mile away.

We have a chance, a real chance, to bring a dense, vibrant, walkable area to this portion of the city, and yet we're still considering auto-centric developments that make us anything but that?

Literally everything and anything must be done to keep QuikTrip pumps off that lot.

quincunx · PostDec 22, 2021#2602021-12-22T16:22+00:00

Hopefully we'll get a chance to speak out if the demo of 3616 goes before the PB. Also if 3616 McRee is to be a part of the gas station, then it would need a zoning change, so Planning Commission. If they seek to have a bit of McRee vacated to combine with the lot they own north of MvRee, that's a Board Bill.

bwcrow1s · PostDec 22, 2021#2612021-12-22T18:54+00:00

I can't wait to see Davis defend that sh*t should it get that far.

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostFeb 24, 2022#2622022-02-24T22:29+00:00

Any updates on this? The neighbor house to 3616 is about to hit the market. Maybe one of us can buy it and help stop these shenanigans.

https://www.trulia.com/p/mo/saint-louis ... 1003653259

bwcrow1s · PostApr 09, 2022#2632022-04-09T14:16+00:00

Updates?

quincunx · PostMay 07, 2022#2642022-05-07T08:22+00:00

Zoning-only building permits submitted for QT on Grand at Lafayette
3612 McRee
3616 McRee
1657-61 S Grand
1651 S Grand
1635 S Grand
1625 S Grand

Grand at Lafayette QT Pacrels.jpg (503.85KiB)

tztag · PostMay 07, 2022#2652022-05-07T12:53+00:00

Unbelievable

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quincunx · PostMay 07, 2022#2662022-05-07T14:18+00:00

Keep an eye on the Board of Adjustment agendas for zoning variances, BoA for a board bill to vacate McRee and to create a CID so customers can pay for moving the onramp (reminder CID sales taxes don't apply to gas), and Preservation Board agendas for demo of 3612 McRee, and TESTIFY!

symphonicpoet · PostMay 07, 2022#2672022-05-07T19:56+00:00

^^^Maybe this is a sign that they're at least giving up on the plan to demo 3619 Lafayette. I'm honestly a little surprised they're pushing so hard for the variances as I think they could build on the parking lot with no need for any variances at all. I'm not sure it's even remotely possible to completely stop them, but maybe with enough pressure to deny the variances they could be persuaded to at least build smaller and sell the non-contiguous and non-commercial parcels.

Laife Fulk · PostMay 08, 2022#2682022-05-08T18:55+00:00

tztag wrote: ↑
May 07, 2022
Unbelievable

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Is it though? Who didn't see this coming?

goat314 · PostMay 08, 2022#2692022-05-08T19:06+00:00

St. Louis should change it's name to QT City, seriously there is one on every damn corner.

Elizabeth Delores · PostMay 09, 2022#2702022-05-09T10:28+00:00

Gotta have more places to get your tub of soda...

BuildItStLouis · PostMay 09, 2022#2712022-05-09T21:07+00:00

What else might have gone there, honestly? It's a terrible corner to live on with intersections at every direction and 44 immediately to the south. It's gonna be awful getting in and out of that lot.

quincunx · PostMay 10, 2022#2722022-05-10T06:10+00:00

Worse if a car magnet gas station is there.

tztag · PostMay 11, 2022#2732022-05-11T01:26+00:00

Of course it was expected but it is so hard to comprehend as there is another gas station literally a block away. SLU has been a horrible steward of our built environment, and the city was nuts to trust them with the “blighted” area they granted.

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STLEnginerd · PostMay 11, 2022#2742022-05-11T19:02+00:00

Ironically the QT will probably result in the BP getting squeezed out. When its abandoned then they will have that added blight to deal with.

Personally given that there will be a need for Gas stations for at least another 10-20 years and QT is one of the better operators IMHO (although with egregious footprints) I actually think its OK. Going car-less or EV is simply a really difficult jump for a lot of St. Louis city dwellers. Gas station will have to be somewhere to serve the city. Putting it right on a interstate on ramp seems reasonable co location of car-centric infrastructure. The demo requests should be heavily scrutinized though. Demoing 3619 Lafayette would have been a hard pass for me.

If the BP shut down and was demoed the day of the ribbon cutting I would call it an modest upgrade for that stretch of road. If they built something better on the BP lot, clear overall win.

gone corporate · PostMay 11, 2022#2752022-05-11T19:13+00:00

^Very valid consideration there, @STLEnginerd

Devil's Advocate here... There could be a net gain from QT at this location. What if this QT does lead to the elimination of the BP at the corner of South Grand & Park? Wouldn't it be preferable for there to be a gas station right next to the highway than right next to Cardinal Glennon Hospital and the SLU Medical Center? And, could SLU be doing this partially to get whoever has that BP to sell his property to SLU/SSM for redevelopment of that site?

Just a thought. Personally, I'm more interested in redevelopment of the Circle K at Forest Park Parkway's westbound entrance, but that's another conversation...

City to Blight 395 Acres Around SLU Medical

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