That's a dumb idea and you are an idiot for suggesting that. /surbanitas wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021It is strange that people keep throwing out words like duty and obligation. As if a brand new professional soccer team doesn't have a critical self-interest in helping provide a decent public soccer field where downtown and north city residents can play, hold tryouts, camps, etc., in a park between a school and a public housing project...all within eyesight of their new stadium???Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Got it. To be fair, I don't think that anyone is saying that the team shouldn't invest in community fields or programs - only that expecting them to immediately chip in on specific projects that they may or may not already be having conversations on at some level isn't beneficial. I anticipate more projects like this to happen across the city and region over the next few months and years. But that doesn't mean that they have a duty to spend money on any specific field that they don't own.
Beyond making sure that they can field a professional soccer team in Spring 2023, and that they will have enthusiastic fans and a place for them to watch the game, their top priorities in the first couple years of their existence are: community outreach, development of local talent, and promotion of the game of soccer. There aren't many better ways to accomplish those priorities than what I suggested.
Says who? I don't really follow MLS so maybe I'm just not aware of expectations of a team to the town it plays in, but this is a for-profit organization, right? Why should charity be more of a priority for a MLS team than any other private for-profit organization in town?urbanitas wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Beyond making sure that they can field a professional soccer team in Spring 2023, and that they will have enthusiastic fans and a place for them to watch the game, their top priorities in the first couple years of their existence are: community outreach, development of local talent, and promotion of the game of soccer.
You are correct in that a for profit organization has zero obligation to do anything for the community. Just as you have zero obligation to do anything for anyone else, help anyone out or try to improve the city you live in.OnTheEdge wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Says who? I don't really follow MLS so maybe I'm just not aware of expectations of a team to the town it plays in, but this is a for-profit organization, right? Why should charity be more of a priority for a MLS team than any other private for-profit organization in town?urbanitas wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Beyond making sure that they can field a professional soccer team in Spring 2023, and that they will have enthusiastic fans and a place for them to watch the game, their top priorities in the first couple years of their existence are: community outreach, development of local talent, and promotion of the game of soccer.
Now one can argue that pro sports teams who receive public money (like the Blues, Cardinals and formerly the Rams) do have somewhat of an obligation to give back since they are receiving taxpayer funds. And as such they all have done park and sports field improvements.
Cardinals: https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/community ... all-fields
Blues: https://www.nhl.com/blues/community
Rams: https://blogs.perficient.com/2015/07/08 ... cal-youth/
So all I'm saying is that IF the St. Louis MLS team decides to do some local soccer field improvements as part of a charitable community assistance program THAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO OWN THEIR OWN that IT WOULD BE NICE if the soccer fields at DeSoto Park were one of the first helped out. I am not demanding they do it and or that it needs to be done right now.
Ah, got it, we're talking "dream world" type stuff here. Yeah, totally agree. If every millionaire/billionaire on this planet would put a higher priority on altruism than say buying "cool stuff", this could be a radically different world in an amazingly awesome way. Unfortunately, at least in my experience, most people don't operate this way.dweebe wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021You are correct in that a for profit organization has zero obligation to do anything for the community. Just as you have zero obligation to do anything for anyone else, help anyone out or try to improve the city you live in.OnTheEdge wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Says who? I don't really follow MLS so maybe I'm just not aware of expectations of a team to the town it plays in, but this is a for-profit organization, right? Why should charity be more of a priority for a MLS team than any other private for-profit organization in town?urbanitas wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Beyond making sure that they can field a professional soccer team in Spring 2023, and that they will have enthusiastic fans and a place for them to watch the game, their top priorities in the first couple years of their existence are: community outreach, development of local talent, and promotion of the game of soccer.
Now one can argue that pro sports teams who receive public money (like the Blues, Cardinals and formerly the Rams) do have somewhat of an obligation to give back since they are receiving taxpayer funds. And as such they all have done park and sports field improvements.
Cardinals: https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/community ... all-fields
Blues: https://www.nhl.com/blues/community
Rams: https://blogs.perficient.com/2015/07/08 ... cal-youth/
So all I'm saying is that IF the St. Louis MLS team decides to do some local soccer field improvements as part of a charitable community assistance program THAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO OWN THEIR OWN that IT WOULD BE NICE if the soccer fields at DeSoto Park were one of the first helped out. I am not demanding they do it and or that it needs to be done right now.
The public funds argument is interesting. Check this out: I happen to have no dependents and for some years now have paid a higher tax rate than my average fellow citizen. I consider myself nothing but fortunate to be in this position. *BUT*, considering I'm helping fund things like a school district I don't use, it'd be nice if the people who do use it would pay me back with a "thank you" by maybe volunteering to wash my car, do my laundry, walk my dog when it's raining outside... You know, it'd be nice.
Yes, dream world stuff. Like someone buying the ATT Tower, redoing the Forest Park Parkway & Grand intersection as at grade or more activity on the Landing.OnTheEdge wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Ah, got it, we're talking "dream world" type stuff here. Yeah, totally agree. If every millionaire/billionaire on this planet would put a higher priority on altruism than say buying "cool stuff", this could be a radically different world in an amazingly awesome way. Unfortunately, at least in my experience, most people don't operate this way.dweebe wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021You are correct in that a for profit organization has zero obligation to do anything for the community. Just as you have zero obligation to do anything for anyone else, help anyone out or try to improve the city you live in.OnTheEdge wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021
Says who? I don't really follow MLS so maybe I'm just not aware of expectations of a team to the town it plays in, but this is a for-profit organization, right? Why should charity be more of a priority for a MLS team than any other private for-profit organization in town?
Now one can argue that pro sports teams who receive public money (like the Blues, Cardinals and formerly the Rams) do have somewhat of an obligation to give back since they are receiving taxpayer funds. And as such they all have done park and sports field improvements.
Cardinals: https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/community ... all-fields
Blues: https://www.nhl.com/blues/community
Rams: https://blogs.perficient.com/2015/07/08 ... cal-youth/
So all I'm saying is that IF the St. Louis MLS team decides to do some local soccer field improvements as part of a charitable community assistance program THAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO OWN THEIR OWN that IT WOULD BE NICE if the soccer fields at DeSoto Park were one of the first helped out. I am not demanding they do it and or that it needs to be done right now.
The public funds argument is interesting. Check this out: I happen to have no dependents and for some years now have paid a higher tax rate than my average fellow citizen. I consider myself nothing but fortunate to be in this position. *BUT*, considering I'm helping fund things like a school district I don't use, it'd be nice if the people who do use it would pay me back with a "thank you" by maybe volunteering to wash my car, do my laundry, walk my dog when it's raining outside... You know, it'd be nice.
But the Taylor family does has an excellent track record of trying to better St. Louis through charitable giving. So that's why I hope Ms. Betz will continue and wish that the DeSoto park soccer fields would be an eventual benefactor. I'm sorry if that irritates or baffles you.
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Having just come from watching the Sunday league that plays at DeSoto Park, the fact that the fields are actively in use every weekend may make scheduling upgrades more difficult. I did see at the dedication for the futsal court that the VP of Community Engagement for St. Louis City SC greeted the coach of one of the teams from that league and knew him from a previous discussion. So I think St. Louis City SC is probably aware of DeSoto Park and its importance in the St. Louis soccer scene. The Sunday league's playoffs begin next weekend and should take 4 weeks. Maybe we will see an announcement once they conclude. If not, I also know that the Dutchtown neighborhood association played a big role in getting the futsal court project done. I'm not sure if DeSoto Park has the same kind of organized support.
No apology necessary as I don't find myself in either an irritable or baffled state to those hopes. I have similar hopes.dweebe wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Yes, dream world stuff. Like someone buying the ATT Tower, redoing the Forest Park Parkway & Grand intersection as at grade or more activity on the Landing.OnTheEdge wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Ah, got it, we're talking "dream world" type stuff here. Yeah, totally agree. If every millionaire/billionaire on this planet would put a higher priority on altruism than say buying "cool stuff", this could be a radically different world in an amazingly awesome way. Unfortunately, at least in my experience, most people don't operate this way.dweebe wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021You are correct in that a for profit organization has zero obligation to do anything for the community. Just as you have zero obligation to do anything for anyone else, help anyone out or try to improve the city you live in.
Now one can argue that pro sports teams who receive public money (like the Blues, Cardinals and formerly the Rams) do have somewhat of an obligation to give back since they are receiving taxpayer funds. And as such they all have done park and sports field improvements.
Cardinals: https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/community ... all-fields
Blues: https://www.nhl.com/blues/community
Rams: https://blogs.perficient.com/2015/07/08 ... cal-youth/
So all I'm saying is that IF the St. Louis MLS team decides to do some local soccer field improvements as part of a charitable community assistance program THAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO OWN THEIR OWN that IT WOULD BE NICE if the soccer fields at DeSoto Park were one of the first helped out. I am not demanding they do it and or that it needs to be done right now.
The public funds argument is interesting. Check this out: I happen to have no dependents and for some years now have paid a higher tax rate than my average fellow citizen. I consider myself nothing but fortunate to be in this position. *BUT*, considering I'm helping fund things like a school district I don't use, it'd be nice if the people who do use it would pay me back with a "thank you" by maybe volunteering to wash my car, do my laundry, walk my dog when it's raining outside... You know, it'd be nice.
But the Taylor family does has an excellent track record of trying to better St. Louis through charitable giving. So that's why I hope Ms. Betz will continue and wish that the DeSoto park soccer fields would be an eventual benefactor. I'm sorry if that irritates or baffles you.
The bafflement was in Urbanitas stating a specific private organization was to put charity as a top priority. I didn't understand why he singled them out and was just trying to understand if there was something I was missing.
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Dweebe: May I politely suggest you write Carolyn about your DeSoto Park ideas. I bet they'd give it solid consideration. They know what's up, and squeaky wheels are the ones that get the grease.
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^Better yet contact Khalia Collier, VP of Community Relations.
Says Don Garber. And Lutz Pfannenstiel. They don't call it charity, though, and I never said anything about charity anyway.OnTheEdge wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2021Says who? I don't really follow MLS so maybe I'm just not aware of expectations of a team to the town it plays in, but this is a for-profit organization, right? Why should charity be more of a priority for a MLS team than any other private for-profit organization in town?
And obviously any pro sports (but especially soccer) franchise's priorities are going to look much different than almost any other "private for-profit organization" as their business success is entirely reliant upon the community.
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St. Louis City SC announcing their head coach in 5 minutes. Already stories online. Bradley Carnell, a former assistant at NY Red Bulls and longtime colleague of Lutz Pfannenstiel.
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lets welcome them in STL BIG TIME!
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/05/1069791114/afghanistan-girls-soccer-refugees-portugal
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/05/1069791114/afghanistan-girls-soccer-refugees-portugal
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Gary Kreie, did you get your tickets? Where are those sections and what did it cost, if you don't mind me asking?
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The MLS Next Pro regular-season schedule was released today. When it was first released, the September 18 game between St. Louis City SC 2 and Sporting KC 2 was listed as being at Centene Stadium. It was later edited to TBD.
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I saw that St. Louis City SC 2 was playing at a variety of different places for their preseason games, but I am curious to see where they end up landing for regular season games.
I saw that Sporting Kansas City 2 will be playing some of their games at Rock Chalk Park in Lawrence, Kansas, about thirty-five miles from Children's Mercy Park in Kansas City, Kansas.
I'd love to see St. Louis City SC 2 consistently playing their games at Lindenwood in St. Charles or SLU in Midtown. Maybe to steal from SKC2's line of thought, it'd be better to hit up the St. Charles County market to build up the fanbase.
Centene Stadium to Harlen C. Hunter Stadium in St. Charles is about twenty-seven miles.
I saw that Sporting Kansas City 2 will be playing some of their games at Rock Chalk Park in Lawrence, Kansas, about thirty-five miles from Children's Mercy Park in Kansas City, Kansas.
I'd love to see St. Louis City SC 2 consistently playing their games at Lindenwood in St. Charles or SLU in Midtown. Maybe to steal from SKC2's line of thought, it'd be better to hit up the St. Charles County market to build up the fanbase.
Centene Stadium to Harlen C. Hunter Stadium in St. Charles is about twenty-seven miles.
Well, here we go.
A press release from today shows that St. Louis City SC 2 will be playing five home games at Hermann Stadium (SLU) and five home games at Ralph Korte Stadium (SIUE).
https://www.stlcitysc.com/news/st-louis ... ew-york-fc
This accomplishes everything I was hoping it would, even if it's SIUE instead of Lindenwood. Also, playing games at SLU could be huge for their athletic program. SLU already has the highest average attendance in all of NCAA soccer. Getting more people into that stadium for CITY 2 could mean more people in that stadium for SLU soccer.
A press release from today shows that St. Louis City SC 2 will be playing five home games at Hermann Stadium (SLU) and five home games at Ralph Korte Stadium (SIUE).
https://www.stlcitysc.com/news/st-louis ... ew-york-fc
This accomplishes everything I was hoping it would, even if it's SIUE instead of Lindenwood. Also, playing games at SLU could be huge for their athletic program. SLU already has the highest average attendance in all of NCAA soccer. Getting more people into that stadium for CITY 2 could mean more people in that stadium for SLU soccer.
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SIUE makes sense, as it's got a pretty impressive soccer history. 2 Championships and a runner up. First coach came over from SLU, Bob Guelker.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Feb 24, 2022Well, here we go.
A press release from today shows that St. Louis City SC 2 will be playing five home games at Hermann Stadium (SLU) and five home games at Ralph Korte Stadium (SIUE).
https://www.stlcitysc.com/news/st-louis ... ew-york-fc
This accomplishes everything I was hoping it would, even if it's SIUE instead of Lindenwood. Also, playing games at SLU could be huge for their athletic program. SLU already has the highest average attendance in all of NCAA soccer. Getting more people into that stadium for CITY 2 could mean more people in that stadium for SLU soccer.
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The options for St. Louis City SC 2 with the local soccer scene is kind of impressive the more you dig into it.
Harlan C. Hunter Stadium at Lindenwood seats 7,450.
Hermann Stadium at SLU seats 6,050.
West Community Stadium at World Wide Technology Soccer Park seats 5,500.
Ralph Korte Stadium at SIUE seats 4,000.
And I am sure there are other options that I haven't considered.
Harlan C. Hunter Stadium at Lindenwood seats 7,450.
Hermann Stadium at SLU seats 6,050.
West Community Stadium at World Wide Technology Soccer Park seats 5,500.
Ralph Korte Stadium at SIUE seats 4,000.
And I am sure there are other options that I haven't considered.
Noticed the Portland home game lists Portland as the stadium. I assume it will be either at SLU or SIUE though.
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^MLS Next Pro site has the Portland game at SIUE.
https://www.mlsnextpro.com/schedule/matches#date=2022-05-20
https://www.mlsnextpro.com/schedule/matches#date=2022-05-20
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^Amen to that. Excellent administration and brand management by the entire MLS4STL team. They keep up with successes like that, there could be a business school case study written on how to successfully create & operate a professional sports franchise.