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urbanitas wrote: ↑

Jul 01, 2021

dweebe wrote: ↑

Jul 01, 2021

urbanitas wrote: ↑

Jun 30, 2021

That said, the stadium being built is quite a bit wider than the smaller MLS stadiums.

Are you serious? I thought the whole thing with the St. Louis stadium was how the sections are stacked and even the furthest seat from the field is not that far away. How is the stadium much wider?

Yes. I am serious.

The seats may be closer to the field, but the footprint of the perimeter roof columns, concourses, and all of the protruding ticketing, restroom, and vending structures is huge compared to other small MLS stadiums. This is evident by the fact the St. Louis stadium footprint is square, unlike most of them, which are much more rectangular.

So then is it placed there because it's square, or is it square because they had more room at that site?

-RBB

rbb wrote: ↑

Jul 01, 2021

urbanitas wrote: ↑

Jul 01, 2021

dweebe wrote: ↑

Jul 01, 2021

Are you serious? I thought the whole thing with the St. Louis stadium was how the sections are stacked and even the furthest seat from the field is not that far away. How is the stadium much wider?

Yes. I am serious.

The seats may be closer to the field, but the footprint of the perimeter roof columns, concourses, and all of the protruding ticketing, restroom, and vending structures is huge compared to other small MLS stadiums. This is evident by the fact the St. Louis stadium footprint is square, unlike most of them, which are much more rectangular.

So then is it placed there because it's square, or is it square because they had more room at that site?

-RBB

It's square because they wanted a roof canopy that covers part (most?) of the lower bowl seating and also extends out over the concourse and plaza around the perimeter.  The canopy was even wider in the initial renderings of this version of the stadium, before those cantilevered roof beams were introduced to the budget.

The square stadium could have worked south of Market too, but they would have needed either the Harry's site, or everything else west of 20th and north of the Drury hotel, which, as I said before, was never going to happen.

The supporters' section at the north end of our stadium is supposed to be like this.

urbanitas wrote: ↑

Jul 02, 2021

The seats may be closer to the field, but the footprint of the perimeter roof columns, concourses, and all of the protruding ticketing, restroom, and vending structures is huge compared to other small MLS stadiums. This is evident by the fact the St. Louis stadium footprint is square, unlike most of them, which are much more rectangular.

The entire stadium site may be square, but the stadium itself doesn't take up the entire footprint of that site...



There is a fairly large plaza outside the stadium on the east side of the site footprint...



It may be wider than a lot of other stadiums, but it is still most definitely longer than it is wide, and thus, rectangular...

Just a footnote on the plaza on the SE corner; that is and will still be a City public park when the stadium opens. Because of city ordinance on the books that says any sale of park land has to be a public vote, the ownership/city decided to keep it a city park and ownership is basically paying to “improve” the park

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jul 06, 2021

Just a footnote on the plaza on the SE corner; that is and will still be a City public park when the stadium opens. Because of city ordinance on the books that says any sale of park land has to be a public vote, the ownership/city decided to keep it a city park and ownership is basically paying to “improve” the park

That's a silly ordinance that probably ought to be repealed.

It's in the charter.

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑

Jul 05, 2021

The entire stadium site may be square, but the stadium itself doesn't take up the entire footprint of that site...



There is a fairly large plaza outside the stadium on the east side of the site footprint...



It may be wider than a lot of other stadiums, but it is still most definitely longer than it is wide, and thus, rectangular...

I didn't say stadium site.  I said the "footprint of the stadium" is square, meaning the stadium structure and all the protruding masonry restroom, vending, and ticketing facilities around the base.  It's not perfectly square, no, but it's about as close as you can get, and much closer than most small MLS stadiums.  And that was the point: there's no reason a Downtown West soccer stadium had to be as wide as what is being built.

I’m about ready for them to start announcing development around the stadium.


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I saw dbinsouthcity post this on Twitter- $19.7MM permit application on 7/16/21 for a parking garage at 1900 Olive.

He must have read the 1900 Olive thread

The news about a parking garage is not surprising at all. I think it was mentioned in a previous story about 1900 Olive.

Here are drone updates from today...









And of course, the fly around video....

The P-D has an article on St. Louis City SC's renovation of the Union Station warehouse: 

MLS ownership group seeks to rehab downtown west HQ


Although it's behind a pay wall. 

^ I wonder if Upper Limits will stay, move or close.

wabash wrote:The P-D has an article on St. Louis City SC's renovation of the Union Station warehouse: 

MLS ownership group seeks to rehab downtown west HQ


Although it's behind a pay wall. 

If you’re reading on an iPhone/iPad all you have to do is click “reader view” from the search bar.


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From the Preservation Board agenda

^I understand they want to tie the building into their overall soccer campus theme, but that modern "bay window" looks ridiculous.  CRO gave it a pass though, no surprise.

The only thing to which the CRO objected was the removal of part of the original iron canopy.  The renderings of the east façade canopy aren't consistent, but I'd guess they want to remove the canopy on the northeast corner because it looks "old" and/or would partially block their CITY sign?