Clayton Development Updates

sc4mayor · PostFeb 19, 2021#1012021-02-19T04:56+00:00

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Feb 19, 2021
I feel like a car wash changing ownership is pretty far down the list of things to be all that concerned about in Clayton. It doesn’t have a big footprint and there are plenty of other new projects going on in Clayton. There are other lots I would like to see get filled in before I’m ready to worry about this one.

Exactly where I’m at. I actually live less than half a mile from here and will be using it frequently as well.

These little services might not be important to some of you but I’m not interested in seeing every business in Clayton turned into another damn luxury apartment building.

RockChalkSTL · PostFeb 19, 2021#1022021-02-19T17:36+00:00

I certainly don't want there to be a luxury apartment building with no street activation on every corner in downtown Clayton, but I also don't think a car wash is a great use of that space. There are so many other parcels of land in the surrounding area that seem more appropriate for a drive-thru business.

I want to see St. Louis become more pedestrian friendly, especially in its urban centers, and another auto-oriented/non-pedestrian business is not the way to get there.

Obviously, some people here disagree with me. That's okay.

urban_dilettante · PostFeb 19, 2021#1032021-02-19T17:58+00:00

^ I agree with you.

wabash · PostFeb 19, 2021#1042021-02-19T18:06+00:00

When the region is fortunate enough to see a Fortune 100 company build a brand new 500,000+ sq.ft. headquarters in one of its business districts and close to transit, it'd be nice to see more synergies and productive use of the immediate surroundings than car washes.

While there are any number of critiques of Clayton's luxury apartment buildings, sidewalk activation isn't one of them. The Barton, 212 Meramec and Crescent have all improved the pedestrian experience. Ceylon and Bemiston are more debatable, giving up granularity and history for density. A redevelopment of the gas station site would fall squarely with the first group though.

sc4mayor · PostFeb 19, 2021#1052021-02-19T18:15+00:00

KansasCitian wrote: ↑
Feb 19, 2021
I certainly don't want there to be a luxury apartment building with no street activation on every corner in downtown Clayton, but I also don't think a car wash is a great use of that space. There are so many other parcels of land in the surrounding area that seem more appropriate for a drive-thru business.

I want to see St. Louis become more pedestrian friendly, especially in its urban centers, and another auto-oriented/non-pedestrian business is not the way to get there.

Obviously, some people here disagree with me. That's okay.

I've walked by it 1,000 times and it doesn't seem to be doing any damage to Downtown Clayton's sterile urban fabric, I'm not even sure I noticed it lol. It's an old long building (which are rapidly disappearing in Clayton anyway). It's even got an appropriate sidewalk setback, compared to the building next door. As far as "urban" car washes go...this one isn't that bad. It was the Clayton Car Wash for decades before this and it certainly didn't seem to slow down the momentum that Clayton has pretty much always seen. The speed and width of Hanley Road are more of walkability killer than a little storefront carwash like this.

urban_dilettante · PostFeb 19, 2021#1062021-02-19T20:12+00:00

^ that's a lot of curb cut, though.

dredger · PostFeb 19, 2021#1072021-02-19T20:57+00:00

To a large degree the market will decide when the property is valuable enough to replace the car wash with vertical use of the space and therefore becomes viable to develop as such. Obviously Clayton CBD is trending to a more urban footprint and its only matter of time before the car wash location will be sought after for development.

wabash · PostFeb 19, 2021#1082021-02-19T23:04+00:00

dredger wrote: ↑
Feb 19, 2021
To a large degree the market will decide when the property is valuable enough to replace the car wash with vertical use of the space and therefore becomes viable to develop as such. Obviously Clayton CBD is trending to a more urban footprint and its only matter of time before the car wash location will be sought after for development.

One need only stand on the sidewalk outside and look around to see what the property market in that part of Clayton will support. The car wash is a funny vestige of another era. More out of place with each passing year.

sc4mayor · PostFeb 19, 2021#1092021-02-19T23:28+00:00

dredger wrote: ↑
Feb 19, 2021
To a large degree the market will decide when the property is valuable enough to replace the car wash with vertical use of the space and therefore becomes viable to develop as such. Obviously Clayton CBD is trending to a more urban footprint and its only matter of time before the car wash location will be sought after for development.

Exactly. Nothing about a car wash changing ownership means it couldn’t be sold for a higher and better use in the future (especially if it’s really popular and they need to move to a larger location eventually).

framer · PostFeb 24, 2021#1102021-02-24T17:42+00:00

Pure speculation on my part, but I'm wondering if the Northeast corner of Forsyth and Hanley could be in play soon. US Bank has some offices in there, but they could easily be consolidated elsewhere. The retail bank lobby has been closed for months, and there's no drive-through, so it doesn't serve any function, really. Seems that such a prime site would be attractive to developers.

brianadler6545 · PostFeb 24, 2021#1112021-02-24T17:59+00:00

framer wrote:Pure speculation on my part, but I'm wondering if the Northeast corner of Forsyth and Hanley could be in play soon. US Bank has some offices in there, but they could easily be consolidated elsewhere. The retail bank lobby has been closed for months, and there's no drive-through, so it doesn't serve any function, really. Seems that such a prime site would be attractive to developers.

Agreed. I wonder what the office appetite will be with the new Centene tower and Forsyth Pointe, though. Not to mention some new office in the city abd out in Chesterfield. Even in Clayton's strong office market, I'd be surprised to see another office development so soon. Residential maybe. Clayton on the Park and 212 seem to have high occupancy numbers.

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wabash · PostFeb 24, 2021#1122021-02-24T20:19+00:00

Seems like a great location for a Bemiston Place type of development, with no demo required except the bank building.

jeff707 · PostMar 05, 2021#1132021-03-05T15:12+00:00

framer wrote: ↑
Feb 24, 2021
Pure speculation on my part, but I'm wondering if the Northeast corner of Forsyth and Hanley could be in play soon. US Bank has some offices in there, but they could easily be consolidated elsewhere. The retail bank lobby has been closed for months, and there's no drive-through, so it doesn't serve any function, really. Seems that such a prime site would be attractive to developers.

LOTS of NIMBY action on the residential black of Maryland just to the north of that lot.

sc4mayor · PostJul 30, 2021#1142021-07-30T22:00+00:00

Clayton office building Shaw Park Plaza bought by L.A. firm with plans for $12M in renovations
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 0#cxrecs_s

NHampton · PostAug 12, 2021#1152021-08-12T19:18+00:00

NateM___ wrote: ↑
Jun 21, 2020
The Ritz’s entrance update is well underway. On a side note, there is a large tour bus parked outside the Ritz from a popular food network show.

The driveway portico/rooftop is a wedding venue now: https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/bes ... 7f854.html

Also, you can rent Carondelet Circle from Clayton? "A reception followed in front of the hotel in Carondelet Circle, which Joiner notes The Ritz-Carlton, St. Louis can assist in renting from the city for $800. "

symphonicpoet · PostAug 13, 2021#1162021-08-13T06:51+00:00

^You can rent most streets in most cities, I think. You're basically paying for a temporary street closure. I think you usually need the agreement of impacted property owners (or at least to avoid their active opposition), but that's basically how any event in a street works. $800 is a tad on the expensive side, but . . . Clayton. And I'm sure R-C is taking a cut to help you out. (And maybe also to not raise a stink about it. The reason Roots and Blues moved to Stephens Lake Park was basically that the downtown business owners got tired of the street closures and started complaining. Mind you, the street closures were often completely unrelated events, but RB&BBQ had a higher profile than Weird Al.)

jeff707 · PostAug 23, 2021#1172021-08-23T21:56+00:00

Not sure if there is a separate thread about this, but the Starbucks at Hanley and Wydown is closed. I heard it was due to a rent increase, but I bet someone on here knows better than me. It looks like many of the spaces are now vacant in that building.

RockChalkSTL · PostAug 23, 2021#1182021-08-23T21:57+00:00

I believe Coma Coffee is going to be moving into the old Starbucks space.

sc4mayor · PostAug 23, 2021#1192021-08-23T22:00+00:00

See this thread. Though whatever happens probably does belong in here instead of the Beacon thread.
the-beacon-proposed-for-wydown-at-hanle ... ml#p344278

wabash · PostSep 28, 2021#1202021-09-28T15:30+00:00

From the website for the planned townhomes on Eager Road (Gateway Heights):

sc4mayor · PostSep 29, 2021#1212021-09-29T15:59+00:00

^ Great picture. Those three towers will really help fill in this side of the Clayton skyline a bit.

Laife Fulk · PostOct 19, 2021#1222021-10-19T04:43+00:00

One of the recent Arch Grants recipients, Honeymoon Chocolates is opening their first brick and mortar store in Clayton. The space is the former Wicked Greenz location on N. Central. It will also be their new chocolate factory. In lieu of refined sugars, they uses raw honey, purchased directly from beekeepers.

The founder, Cam, was in my WashU MBA cohort. Delicious chocolate and they're primed to really take off and fast. Already being sold in Whole Foods and this new location will help them ramp up production to expand their sales. So don't be shocked to see their business start to pop up more and more as a St. Louis startup success story.

https://www.stlmag.com/dining/honeymoon ... -in-clayt/

https://hmchocolates.com/

jshank83 · PostOct 19, 2021#1232021-10-19T04:48+00:00

Anyone heard rumblings about Barcelona. The way they talked they would be finding another location but I haven’t heard anything.

Also on another note. Now all the storefronts in the footprint of the new complex on central are empty. Hopefully it gets moving soon because that street has a different feel with a quarter of it empty.

sc4mayor · PostOct 28, 2021#1242021-10-28T01:06+00:00

Maryland between Hanley and Forsyth got a road diet and a parking protected bike lane on each side after a recent repaving.

moorlander · PostOct 28, 2021#1252021-10-28T12:54+00:00

Bike lanes are finally in!

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