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STL_4_LIFE wrote:

DTGstl314 wrote:So... it's gonna happen. Tomorrow, Donald Trump will become the first president in our nation's 240+ year history to ever have been impeached twice.

He'll also be the first president to ever be impeached during the transition period after having lost an election. I don't expect the senate trial to commence until after Biden is sworn in, will be interesting to see how that goes. Odds are still pretty strong that he gets acquitted, but only because the threshold for conviction is so insanely high - it's hard to see 17 Republican senators having the spines to defy the wishes of MAGA nation. I do think we'll see more than one GOP senator vote for conviction this time, and probably at least 3 or 4.

LMFAO...they are wasting their time.

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brianadler6545 wrote:

STL_4_LIFE wrote:

DTGstl314 wrote:So... it's gonna happen. Tomorrow, Donald Trump will become the first president in our nation's 240+ year history to ever have been impeached twice.

He'll also be the first president to ever be impeached during the transition period after having lost an election. I don't expect the senate trial to commence until after Biden is sworn in, will be interesting to see how that goes. Odds are still pretty strong that he gets acquitted, but only because the threshold for conviction is so insanely high - it's hard to see 17 Republican senators having the spines to defy the wishes of MAGA nation. I do think we'll see more than one GOP senator vote for conviction this time, and probably at least 3 or 4.

LMFAO...they are wasting their time.

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Impeaching and convicting Trump will have meaningful consequences, ranging from removal of office (if soon) to denial of future ability to run for Federal office.

Momentum seems to be growing among some GOP members to impeach...so it doesn't seem like they're wasting their time.

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STL_4_LIFE wrote: ↑

Jan 12, 2021

dbInSouthCity wrote:You’ll see about 20-30 Republicans vote to impeach.    It’s going to put a sizzling hot potato in the heads of all the 2022 GOP senators, especially the ones in blue/purple states

Yep. And their careers will will effectively over. They don't give a sh*t though.

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Baltimore Jack wrote:GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert who has publicly claimed she wants to carry a firearm on to the House floor is currently in a standoff with Capitol Police as she won't let them see what's in her bag at the newly installed metal detectors outside the chamber. 

This is what we're dealing with here. 

STL_4_LIFE wrote:

Baltimore Jack wrote:GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert who has publicly claimed she wants to carry a firearm on to the House floor is currently in a standoff with Capitol Police as she won't let them see what's in her bag at the newly installed metal detectors outside the chamber. 

This is what we're dealing with here. 

2nd Amendment.

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DTGstl314 wrote:

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jan 12, 2021

You’ll see about 20-30 Republicans vote to impeach.    It’s going to put a sizzling hot potato in the heads of all the 2022 GOP senators, especially the ones in blue/purple states

Richard Shelby (AL) - acquit (he may be retiring anyway - he'll be 87 next year and he's been in the Senate since 1986)
Lisa Murkowski (AK) - convict
John Boozman (AR) - acquit
Marco Rubio (FL) - acquit (he'll get primaried from the right if he doesn't, and he'll lose that primary)
Mike Crapo (ID) - acquit
Todd Young (IN) - acquit
Chuck Grassley (IA) - ??? (he's probably retiring, since he'll also be 88 next year)
Jerry Moran (KS) - acquit
Rand Paul (KY) - acquit
John Kennedy (LA) - acquit
Roy Blunt (MO) - acquit (he's already come out against the impeachment)
Richard Burr (NC) - convict (he's retiring, and Trump has f*cked him over)
John Hoeven (ND) - acquit
Rob Portman (OH) - ??? (he'd be risking a primary challenge, but he seems to be genuinely bothered by all of this)
James Lankfrod (OK) - acquit
Pat Toomey (PA) - convict (he's retiring, and he's already said he considers Trump's offenses impeachable)
Tim Scott (SC) - ??? (if he votes to convict, he'll definitely get primaried out of his job, but he's a black man who seems geuinely disturned by what has happened)
John Thune (SD) - convict (he's been one of the more critical voices from the GOP)
Mike Lee (UT) - acquit
Ron Johnson (WI) - acquit (he may be retiring, but he's a toady through and through)

I count 4 likely votes to convict, 3 tossups, and 13 votes to acquit.

I'm almost more curious about  the 30 GOP senators who will have at least 4 years of breathing room before they face the electorate again. I think Romney and Collins will both vote to convict, hard to say who else might. The 4 freshman GOP senators who just got elected will all vote to acquit, because each one of them is total bootlicker. The 16 other Class II Republican senators who don't have to worry about the voters until 2026 will be largely free to vote their consciences - it's hard to imagine how their vote on this thing will have much bearing on their electoral hopes six years from now, which is a lifetime away in political terms.

STL_4_LIFE wrote: ↑

Jan 13, 2021

Baltimore Jack wrote:GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert who has publicly claimed she wants to carry a firearm on to the House floor is currently in a standoff with Capitol Police as she won't let them see what's in her bag at the newly installed metal detectors outside the chamber. 

This is what we're dealing with here. 

2nd Amendment.

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STL_4_LIFE wrote: ↑

Jan 13, 2021

...so she set up the Capitol attack to blame it on him. #treason

STL_4_LIFE wrote: ↑

Jan 13, 2021

Pelosi is a piece of sh*t. She needs to be in prison for trying to impeach Trump again. Russia...Russia...Russia didn't work so she set up the Capitol attack to blame it on him. #treason

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sc4mayor wrote:^ You’re making a complete ass out of yourself.

You’re either on the side of the US and democracy or you’re on the side of Trump, sedition, insurrection, and treason. In other words, if you pick the latter, you’re a domestic terrorist.

Choose wisely.

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jan 12, 2021

You’ll see about 20-30 Republicans vote to impeach.    It’s going to put a sizzling hot potato in the heads of all the 2022 GOP senators, especially the ones in blue/purple states

wabash wrote: ↑

Jan 13, 2021

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jan 12, 2021

You’ll see about 20-30 Republicans vote to impeach.    It’s going to put a sizzling hot potato in the heads of all the 2022 GOP senators, especially the ones in blue/purple states

It'd be kind of amazing to watch Republicans rally around Trump so closely after experiencing the brutal electoral realities of doubling down on him - losing the White House, losing the Senate, and perhaps losing the state of Georgia. And all of those major setbacks were before Confederate flags were waving in the Capitol. 

Not a whole lot of GOP senators from blue/purple states in the 2022 though. NC and Penn are probably the closest, and their GOP incumbents are retiring. 

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑

Jan 13, 2021

Iowa might be in play as well, because it's hard to imagine Grassley running for an eighth term at the age of 89, but who knows, maybe he thinks he's the next Strom Thurmond. If Grassley does decide he wants to keep going until his mid-90s, he'll get re-elected fairly easily, because people are stupid.

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑

Jan 13, 2021

Fun fact: If a fair number of Republican senators want Trump to get convicted but don't want to have to be the ones to directly pull the trigger, there's a workaround... the Constitution doesn't require 2/3 of all senators to secure a conviction in an impeachment trial, it requires 2/3 of all senators present. In other words, if there are 8 Republicans who would be willing to vote guilty in the trial and then another group of Republicans who are fine with him being convicted but who don't want a direct hand in it for whatever reason, all they would need to do is to get 13 Republican senators to stay home. Then you have 58 votes for conviction in a body of 87 senators - which is exactly 2/3.