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Dredger must also think that a few GOP senators and congresspeople, along with people in Trump's own cabinet, are in the far left. 

This clown is getting everything he deserves right now. All his donors are calling on him to resign and or saying that supporting him for the worst mistake of their life.

^That edit is probably a good thing for the IL congresswoman who went around saying that Hitler was right!

There is an actual value in doing an impeachment, even this late in the game... no, it won't result in him being removed from office, because McConnell has already said the Senate won't take the issue up before January 20th. That said, if the House successfully impeaches Trump for a second time before the 20th, it won't just go away that day if the Senate hasn't yet taken it up. As soon as VP Harris has been sworn in and Sens-elect Warnock and Ossoff have been sworn in (which might not actually happen until January 23rd, apparently), Chuck Schumer will become the Senate Majority Leader, and the Senate can then commence an impeachment trial. Yes, you can still hold an impeachment trial after a president has left office. So if he were  to be convicted, what would be the point, since he's already out of office? The point would be that the Senate could then bar him from ever running for elected office again for the rest of his life. It immediately kills any speculation about Trump 2024, because he'll be constitutionally prohibited from seeking re-election again down the road.

But more importantly, it will send the message that what happened Wednesday was absolutely unacceptable, and that the people who fomented the violence will face real consequences for their role in that tragedy. Could they get 67 votes in the scenario? My gut says no, but the stakes would be much lower for Republican senators, and they wouldn't have to worry about being on the receiving end of a mean tweet from His Royal Orangeness if they did the right thing. Plus, it takes a real monkey wrench out of any aspirations any of them might have for 2024. If Trump is allowed to run again in 2024 and he does, do not discount the possibility of him being renominated. If the GOP primaries were today, he would absolutely win and it wouldn't even be close. Why not nip this thing in the bud so it's not even a potential concern?

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑

Jan 09, 2021

There is absolutely no explanation for how someone was so easily able to get into the personal office of the United States Speaker of the House. None.

Lack of anticipation, preparation and training, understaffing, underestimation, complacency and poor management. Any combination of those provides a reasonable explanation.

If the Capitol Police leadership thought January 6th would be like any other Wednesday afternoon at the Capitol or any other electoral college vote certification, or that this "protest" would be similar to the dozens/hundreds that they've witnessed and managed over the last 4 years (both by Trump supporters and opposers), then they were simply very, tragically wrong. But, with all respect to Congressman Clyburn, no conspiracy is needed for any/all of that to be case. 

^I tend to agree.

They were offered more help and turned it down. They should have known better and been prepared for it not to stay peaceful.

Maybe it's not the fault of the Capitol Police. Maybe it's in the FBI's purview.

But somebody was just unfathomably incompetent (or complicit). It's just inexcusable how a bunch of armed white guys can post (under real names) about how they're going to Washington to shoot (insert politician) and law enforcement had no plan.

Terrorists of a darker skin tone are plotting on encrypted communications and still get caught by the feds pretty often. These clowns did it in the open, visible to anyone.

This local guy got caught over the summer for some pretty similar stuff.
https://www.kmov.com/news/st-louis-man- ... 7d967.html

Welp, looks like Lin Wood probably got himself disbarred (among other consequences)...

The newly-elected West Virginia State House lawmaker that broke into the Capitol who said he wasn't going to resign has done so. My guess is he was going to be ousted somehow by either the Governor or Legislature.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/derrick-ev ... s-capitol/

He resigned today

DTGstl314 wrote:There is an actual value in doing an impeachment, even this late in the game... no, it won't result in him being removed from office, because McConnell has already said the Senate won't take the issue up before January 20th. That said, if the House successfully impeaches Trump for a second time before the 20th, it won't just go away that day if the Senate hasn't yet taken it up. As soon as VP Harris has been sworn in and Sens-elect Warnock and Ossoff have been sworn in (which might not actually happen until January 23rd, apparently), Chuck Schumer will become the Senate Majority Leader, and the Senate can then commence an impeachment trial. Yes, you can still hold an impeachment trial after a president has left office. So if he were  to be convicted, what would be the point, since he's already out of office? The point would be that the Senate could then bar him from ever running for elected office again for the rest of his life. It immediately kills any speculation about Trump 2024, because he'll be constitutionally prohibited from seeking re-election again down the road.

But more importantly, it will send the message that what happened Wednesday was absolutely unacceptable, and that the people who fomented the violence will face real consequences for their role in that tragedy. Could they get 67 votes in the scenario? My gut says no, but the stakes would be much lower for Republican senators, and they wouldn't have to worry about being on the receiving end of a mean tweet from His Royal Orangeness if they did the right thing. Plus, it takes a real monkey wrench out of any aspirations any of them might have for 2024. If Trump is allowed to run again in 2024 and he does, do not discount the possibility of him being renominated. If the GOP primaries were today, he would absolutely win and it wouldn't even be close. Why not nip this thing in the bud so it's not even a potential concern?

Who cares. The Special Forces got Pelosi's laptop! It's going to be interesting what they find on that evil witches computer. That's why she freaking out right now and trying to get Trump removed. Not gonna happen...

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kipfilet wrote: ↑

Jan 09, 2021

Dredger must also think that a few GOP senators and congresspeople, along with people in Trump's own cabinet, are in the far left. 

Not sure what you mean by that.  

I think what I stated.   That the political reality is any articles of impeachment in House will not get what is desired.  Heck, they might not even brought up in Senate Chambers with 10 days left in Trumps Presidency..   From political calculus you have only two years before mid-terms and the Democrats hold only a slim majority in the house and the only reason why they have majority in Senate is because Trump couldn't quit lying and Kamala Harris as VP is now the tie breaker.  Another way to put it, all you have to do is look back at the first mid term election after Obama first year in the office to see how things can change on you very quickly.  

As to DTG comments on impeachment has value as it shows accountability.  Yes I agree to that, but it is mostly to the base and maybe some independents that might remember but come 2022 I don't think it will  mean a whole in my opinion.   

STL_4_LIFE wrote: ↑

Jan 10, 2021

Who cares. The Special Forces got Pelosi's laptop! It's going to be interesting what they find on that evil witches computer. That's why she freaking out right now and trying to get Trump removed. Not gonna happen...

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she's trying to remove Trump because, according to you, there's something scandalous on her laptop? LOL. logic. "special" forces, indeed.

STL_4_LIFE wrote: ↑

Jan 10, 2021

DTGstl314 wrote:There is an actual value in doing an impeachment, even this late in the game... no, it won't result in him being removed from office, because McConnell has already said the Senate won't take the issue up before January 20th. That said, if the House successfully impeaches Trump for a second time before the 20th, it won't just go away that day if the Senate hasn't yet taken it up. As soon as VP Harris has been sworn in and Sens-elect Warnock and Ossoff have been sworn in (which might not actually happen until January 23rd, apparently), Chuck Schumer will become the Senate Majority Leader, and the Senate can then commence an impeachment trial. Yes, you can still hold an impeachment trial after a president has left office. So if he were  to be convicted, what would be the point, since he's already out of office? The point would be that the Senate could then bar him from ever running for elected office again for the rest of his life. It immediately kills any speculation about Trump 2024, because he'll be constitutionally prohibited from seeking re-election again down the road.

But more importantly, it will send the message that what happened Wednesday was absolutely unacceptable, and that the people who fomented the violence will face real consequences for their role in that tragedy. Could they get 67 votes in the scenario? My gut says no, but the stakes would be much lower for Republican senators, and they wouldn't have to worry about being on the receiving end of a mean tweet from His Royal Orangeness if they did the right thing. Plus, it takes a real monkey wrench out of any aspirations any of them might have for 2024. If Trump is allowed to run again in 2024 and he does, do not discount the possibility of him being renominated. If the GOP primaries were today, he would absolutely win and it wouldn't even be close. Why not nip this thing in the bud so it's not even a potential concern?

Who cares. The Special Forces got Pelosi's laptop! It's going to be interesting what they find on that evil witches computer. That's why she freaking out right now and trying to get Trump removed. Not gonna happen...

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Special Forces?  You’re literally insane.  The terrorist that stole a laptop got one that’s used for PowerPoints in meetings and that’s it.  As someone who’s worked on classified gov projects, laptops with sensitive info aren’t just sitting around the office

dredger wrote: ↑

Jan 10, 2021

kipfilet wrote: ↑

Jan 09, 2021

Dredger must also think that a few GOP senators and congresspeople, along with people in Trump's own cabinet, are in the far left. 

Not sure what you mean by that.  

I think what I stated.   That the political reality is any articles of impeachment in House will not get what is desired.  Heck, they might not even brought up in Senate Chambers with 10 days left in Trumps Presidency..   From political calculus you have only two years before mid-terms and the Democrats hold only a slim majority in the house and the only reason why they have majority in Senate is because Trump couldn't quit lying and Kamala Harris as VP is now the tie breaker.  Another way to put it, all you have to do is look back at the first mid term election after Obama first year in the office to see how things can change on you very quickly.  

As to DTG comments on impeachment has value as it shows accountability.  Yes I agree to that, but it is mostly to the base and maybe some independents that might remember but come 2022 I don't think it will  mean a whole in my opinion.   

It's not just about a symbolic show of accountability - it potentially guarantees Trump can't run again in 2024. While I'm inclined to think he probably won't anyway, I'd just prefer he not even have the option to suggest that he might. Also, I believe it will take away his Secret Service detail. his lifetime pnesion, and the $1M per year in taxpayer money that he's entitled to for his presidential office.

i wonder if NY will get a presidential golf course or a presidential strip club in lieu of a library.

urban_dilettante wrote: ↑

Jan 10, 2021

i wonder if NY will get a presidential golf course or a presidential strip club in lieu of a library.

Trump changed his legal residence to Florida.

Updated poll. These are more the numbers I would expect over the UGov poll.

So why BLM got away with looting fires all summer then? What happen in DC was horrible but BLM  dose deserve the same push back.

Also do you all really think josh hawley will lose any election in MO?  ( he wont)   Impeachment after trump would be bad politics why waste Biden's first 100 days going after a guy that will not be in office while a pandemic is gearing up for covid 2.0 and the us economy is  in taters.

Thatguy644 wrote: ↑

Jan 10, 2021

So why BLM got away with looting fires all summer then? What happen in DC was horrible but BLM  dose deserve the same push back.

Also do you all really think josh hawley will lose any election in MO?  ( he wont)   Impeachment after trump would be bad politics why waste Biden's first 100 days going after a guy that will not be in office while a pandemic is gearing up for covid 2.0 and the us economy is  in taters.

Got away? Didn’t get the same push back? You’re delusional.  Biden said in July anyone involved in looting or burning is a criminal and should be held accountable.    And the fact that you’re trying to whataboutism with last summer and insurrection and people chanting hang Mike pence as they make their way in the Capitol is pathetic.


And looting fires all summer? Here there was one night where a store got set on fire (june 1 or 2) and that’s it