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PostJan 08, 2021#1076

CBS News reported that Trump is no longer speaking to Mike Pence at this point. Refuses to even meet with him. Considers him a traitor.

It's amazing that this insane narcissist has seriously managed to convince himself that he got f*cked over in all of this.

Burn in hell, Donald. You are indipustably the worst thing to happen to this country since slavery.

PostJan 08, 2021#1077

The Editorial Boards of both the Kansas City Star and the St. Louis Post-Dispatch have now called on Josh Hawley to resign...

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PostJan 08, 2021#1078

NPR running a story this morning mentioning that some Republican Senators are interested in impeaching Trump so he can't run (against them) in 2024. Interesting turn... 
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PostJan 08, 2021#1079

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Jan 08, 2021
NPR running a story this morning mentioning that some Republican Senators are interested in impeaching Trump so he can't run (against them) in 2024. Interesting turn... 
It would be kind of hilarious to see the sh*tstorm that would result from Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz voting for Trump's removal as an obvious ploy to take him out of the running 4 years from now.

The strategy only works if a ton of GOP senators get on board (you would need at least 17, anyway), but it could easily backfire on them bigtime by killing turnout among the base in 2022 and 2024, many of whom will likely feel like they have been completely betrayed by their own party.

I think the safer bet for them is to assume that he's not actually going to run. If he does run, there's probably a decent chance he could get nominated again, but I can't possibly imagine him being able to win a general election again after everything that has transpired in the last 2 months, partcularly the last week. He's a nuclear waste site politically.
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PostJan 08, 2021#1080

^Better to do that than to let your party become even more fascist.

Edit: I mean in regards to removing Trump and upsetting part of the party's base by doing it.

A move toward Hawley or Cruz isn't much better than what we have now.
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PostJan 08, 2021#1081

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Jan 08, 2021
^Better to do that than to let your party become even more fascist.
Don't disagree, but I don't think most of these people particularly care whether or not their party is becoming more fascist. Or more accurately, I think concerns over the GOP becoming too fascist take a distant second place in the order of importance among these clowns. Winning is the the only thing they really care about, and if they thought there was a path to certain victory that entailed setting up a bunch of "camps" where they send "undesirables" to "showers", they would do it in a heartbeat.

PostJan 08, 2021#1082

Mnuchin just quit.

They're all fleeing like rats on a sinking ship.

ETA: The idiot reporter I was basing this on accidentally got confused about which Cabinet Department was run by Mrs. Mitch McConnell, and called it "Treasury" rather than "Transportation", and didn't correct himself after the misstatement (nor did anyone else correct him).

What he said was, "So far, the Treasury Secretary Elaine Chao and the Education Secretary Betsy DeVos have resigned."

What I heard was, "So far, the Treasury Secretary, Elaine Chao, and the Education Secretary Betsy DeVos have resigned."


My mistake. Mnuchin hasn't gone anywhere.
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PostJan 08, 2021#1083

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Jan 08, 2021
Mnuchin just quit.

They're all fleeing like rats ona sinking ship.
Where are you seeing that?  My quick google only found a foxbusiness article saying he and Kudlow were staying till the end.
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PostJan 08, 2021#1084

“One current Metro D.C. police officer said in a public Facebook post that off-duty police officers and members of the military, who were among the rioters, flashed their badges and I.D. cards as they attempted to overrun the building. “If these people can storm the Capitol building with no regard to punishment, you have to wonder how much they abuse their powers when they put on their uniforms,” the officer wrote.”

Above is a terrifying quote from a Politico article I read this morning.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/0 ... bAXQtjL854

Nazis...the lot of em.
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PostJan 08, 2021#1085

Haven't seen anything about Mnuchin anywhere
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PostJan 08, 2021#1086

The video in this article is absolutely insane.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... o-capitol/
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PostJan 08, 2021#1087

The New York Daily News reports that during their attack on the U.S. Capitol Wednesday, Trump supporters smeared sh*t all over the walls and floor.
A source close to Sen. Chuck Schumer said staffers to the New York Democrat found out about the fecal fiasco on Thursday. The vile attackers, whose violent invasion of the Capitol left five people dead, apparently went No. 2 in a bathroom and then smeared their extremist excrement around the building, leaving behind brownish "foot-prints," the source said.
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PostJan 08, 2021#1088

After this week, blue infighting looks like a crack in the sidewalk. It feels like we’re approaching the end of the Right as a unified party capable of mustering 45% of the electorate.

Imagine being republicans. Building a system of disenfranchisement capable of crippling your opponent for decades, only to have Trump blow a pandemic, presidential and senate elections, and end with a directed terrorist attack on the US capital.

I think trump launches a media platform/campaign in less than a year. Spends two years bashing the Republican Party that turned on him and convinces 15% of current registered republicans to follow him and never return.


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PostJan 08, 2021#1089

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Jan 08, 2021
The New York Daily News reports that during their attack on the U.S. Capitol Wednesday, Trump supporters smeared sh*t all over the walls and floor.
A source close to Sen. Chuck Schumer said staffers to the New York Democrat found out about the fecal fiasco on Thursday. The vile attackers, whose violent invasion of the Capitol left five people dead, apparently went No. 2 in a bathroom and then smeared their extremist excrement around the building, leaving behind brownish "foot-prints," the source said.
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PostJan 08, 2021#1090

This is a possible outcome some of my friend group have been discussing... 

Is this a world where an insanely selfish and fascist Trump peels off his electorate and splits this Republican Party in two. Where does the 38% of REP voter base go after the rest of his base continues moving further into the right? 

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PostJan 08, 2021#1091

pattimagee wrote: ↑
Jan 08, 2021
This is a possible outcome some of my friend group have been discussing... 

Is this a world where an insanely selfish and fascist Trump peels off his electorate and splits this Republican Party in two. Where does the 38% of REP voter base go after the rest of his base continues moving further into the right? 

The center?  Probably would then peel off a not insignificant  % of dems, as well.  THis would then become the dominant political party for a while, as the left & right flanks try to peel off some of those voters.  Could lead to a 3 or 5 party system faster than maybe some anticipated even 5 years ago.
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PostJan 08, 2021#1092

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Jan 08, 2021
After this week, blue infighting looks like a crack in the sidewalk. It feels like we’re approaching the end of the Right as a unified party capable of mustering 45% of the electorate.

Imagine being republicans. Building a system of disenfranchisement capable of crippling your opponent for decades, only to have Trump blow a pandemic, presidential and senate elections, and end with a directed terrorist attack on the US capital.

I think trump launches a media platform/campaign in less than a year. Spends two years bashing the Republican Party that turned on him and convinces 15% of current registered republicans to follow him and never return.


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I disagree with the assessment 

First and Foremost, I think the statistics bear out a fair share of splitting voting that gave Biden the Presidency but yet return House seats to Republicans as well as kept large Republican controls for a lot of states houses and governerships, even gave some back there as well..    Instead, I think Trump will be forgotten about very shortly

In additiona, historically the part of the opposing President picks up the House.   I think the Democrats are about to make two huge mistakes that will give a reason for Republicans to vote heavily again and maybe even sway a fair share of Independents to split the other way and give Republicans the House back and maybe even the Senate.   

First, doing a second impeachment vote 12 days of Biden becoming President and going nowhere in the Senate is only appeasing Far Left, more Divide.    I favor it if their was enough Senate support across both Aisles to actually boot Trump out before Jan 20th.   Instead, As Independent I find it as one more political stunt to appease the respective base in a very divisive nation. 

 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... spartanntp

Second,  Democrats in Congress need to think very hard on stimulus and build consensus in Senate.  I favor the increase in direct payment and assistance programs like SNAP (those who are out of job and need help), Small Business help and an infrastructure spending as well as some sensible reform/increase  on capital gains tax to recoup the tax dollar give away to the wealthy.   But ss a fiscal conservative I truly believe that State, Local governments need to resolve their own budgets instead of Feds printing trillions to hand over to states in name of Covid.   

 https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets ... spartandhp





 
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PostJan 08, 2021#1093

I'll only add... I think that's why Biden's first two years are going to be so important for the DNC - if they can balance the center and the left and the right continues it's divergence, there really is a big opportunity for some serious control. 

I don't think Trump is going anywhere. I have too many family members that have bought in for the long haul, and I don't expect Trump to just let them fade away - or at the very least... a new Trump-figurehead carries the torch for him. 
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PostJan 08, 2021#1094

My worry is that our next fascist republican leader is going to be a bit better spoken and competent. 

This election was practically gift wrapped for Trump. There aren't many presidents that could have ever screwed this up for themselves.
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PostJan 08, 2021#1095

There is still so much coming out about this, I don’t know what to think might happen.

I don’t think impeachment is a ploy to rile up the left, however.  If the Republicans don’t have the balls to 25th Trump out of the White House then he should absolutely be impeached.  Whether or not Republicans vote to convict, we must make it known this seditious, treasonous behavior WILL NOT be tolerated.  Even if it only further enrages his insurgents.  Pardon my French...but ***** them.

^^ Fortunately in my family...which also had quite a bit of buy in...they’re done.  My lifelong Republican mother said something so heinous on the phone about Trump on Wednesday, for a split second I thought the Secret Service might knock on her door lol.
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PostJan 08, 2021#1096

^^ I think he will be forgotten about in terms of the ballot.  Or maybe another way a put, I don't see a split in Republican base because of Trump.   I don't think he would get anywhere under a third banner and any fuming Trumper will still vote republican because most will want a win not a protest vote.

Where I agree that he will not go away is on the PAC, political contribution front as it will bring in millions for his family and maintain a lavish lifestyle.   Will he run again in four years? who knows but he will undoubtly milk it financially for the next four years as well as a host of people.   Rudy as well.   Rudy and law firm can spend the next four years living off the crowd.   Flying around in private, 5 star hotels, fancy dinners and billing hours upon hours trying to proof a lie because people keep sending money.     
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PostJan 08, 2021#1097

Murkowski says Trump should resign and is questioning her future as a Republican.
https://www.adn.com/politics/2021/01/08 ... epublican/
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PostJan 08, 2021#1098

kipfilet wrote: ↑
Jan 08, 2021
Haven't seen anything about Mnuchin anywhere
He didn't resign. I had mistaken information. The TV reporter I was basing it on accidentally referred to Elaine Chao as the Treasury Secretary (and never bothered to correct himself), and that's where I got confused. See post above.

PostJan 08, 2021#1099

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Jan 08, 2021
First, doing a second impeachment vote 12 days of Biden becoming President and going nowhere in the Senate is only appeasing Far Left, more Divide.    I favor it if their was enough Senate support across both Aisles to actually boot Trump out before Jan 20th.   Instead, As Independent I find it as one more political stunt to appease the respective base in a very divisive nation. 
I think we'll find that it's a hell of a lot more than the far left that supports a second Trump impeachment. A number of prominent Republicans have already come out fully in support of such an action.

Yes, it will be entirely symbolic and won't actually result in him being removed from office (they won't have the votes in the Senate, and it may never even get brought up in the upper chamber), but it still needs to be a stain on his legacy. It won't cost much, and it could be fastracked to a single day of debate followed by a vote next week. Bypass the committee hearings.

The man incited an attack on the citadel of U.S. government. He created a situation in which the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th person in the line of presidential succession had their lives literally put in danger. A number of the terrorists were quoted as saying they intended to take Mike Pence into custody and hang him on site for being a traitor.

This was a monumentally big f**king deal. How many bad foreign actors will see what happened and think to themselves, "Wow, it seems like it would be really easy to overtake the U.S. Capitol and execute half of their legislators with very little effort."

There needs to be a 9/11 style Commission on what happened Wednesday, numerous heads need to roll, and Capitol Hill police who were found to have aided and abetted in the siege need to be fired and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The DOJ - Trump's DOJ - has already indicated that incitement charges aren't out of the question. As in, incitement charges against the 45th president of the United States.

This is too big of a f**king deal to just sweep under the rug and let bygones be bygones. It's a bridge too far.
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PostJan 08, 2021#1100

Twitter just permanently banned Trump. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... p-n1253588

About 3.99 years too late.
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