The Edge at Lafayette Square (Praxair Site)

urbanitas · PostJul 03, 2020#3012020-07-03T22:08+00:00

EssTeeEll wrote: ↑
Jul 02, 2020
dylank wrote: ↑
Jun 30, 2020
Rearranging how building massing interacts with the ground would be a game-changer for this development.
Agreed. If they insist on the garage, I wish it was more buried inside of this whole thing instead of prominently along Chouteau . I'm assuming it's just a garage and no street level space for retail? Not that I'm sure how those would do here. The #4 building along Jefferson & Chouteau should probably have the "L" shape of a couple of the other buildings so that it wraps around that corner. Also...why a parking lot 10 feet from a parking garage? Lol.

But it's hard to deny it's not a win overall. Have they started yet?

You mean like the original plan from March 2018?

NextStL - Big Plans for Chouteau in Lafayette Square

PostJul 03, 2020#3022020-07-03T22:13+00:00

sc4mayor wrote:

Just copying the recent plan for comparison purposes.

EssTeeEll · PostJul 03, 2020#3032020-07-03T22:51+00:00

^ Impossible! Not a single standalone parking garage or lot. No wonder it didn't hold.

With any luck the still TBD "Plan Under Development" will be a second garage for overflow.

ebo · PostJul 16, 2020#3042020-07-16T16:20+00:00

This whole plan is a missed opportunity to extend the LaSalle corridor east of Jefferson. Granted it's not very polished west of Jefferson either (Quicktrip didn't help), but I've always thought there was potential for more.

I 100% agree, but it may be less of a missed opportunity by the developer and more about the deliberate effort to limit vehicle access to the neighborhood by the people in the neighborhood. There are (I think) only three streets you can use to get into the heart of the neighborhood, Lafayette, Park, and Mississippi. Every other street off of Truman Parkway, Jefferson or Chouteau is either blocked, or funnels you into one of those egress streets, unless you want to drive through alleys.

quincunx · PostJul 24, 2020#3052020-07-24T22:35+00:00

A $26m zoning only building permit application submitted for 5-story multi-fam at 1116 Missouri

MarkGroth2020 · PostJul 24, 2020#3062020-07-24T23:36+00:00

This is going to be fun to watch. That part of LS is a mess and this will be much welcomed.

bwcrow1s · PostJul 25, 2020#3072020-07-25T14:22+00:00

Emailed Ingrassia twice now about this project and no response.

That parking garage/surface parking duo is a momentum killer for Chouteau.

Of course anything is better than what's there, but we all know that garage will never be torn down and replaced with anything mildly productive. Just combine the surface lot and garage you dinguses.

EssTeeEll · PostJul 25, 2020#3082020-07-25T15:00+00:00

^ Yep, in the same boat as you. Obviously, the project as a whole is leagues better than a vacant, overgrown lot. But still can't get over having a surface lot just across the street from the garage, unless they plan on building on that lot in the future. Which would be a little weird because that would be the place left to develop...no other lots for a "phase 2" or whatnot.

bwcrow1s · PostSep 08, 2020#3092020-09-08T18:46+00:00

Was just told by Ingrassia that the OPUS project is not going forward. This would just be the portion at the corner of Chouteau and Jefferson, correct?

chriss752 · PostSep 08, 2020#3102020-09-08T19:04+00:00

bwcrow1s wrote:Was just told by Ingrassia that the OPUS project is not going forward. This would just be the portion at the corner of Chouteau and Jefferson, correct?

Yes. Recently, Loopnet Listings said the building was shrunk to 2 Floors with a grocery store on the first floor.

bwcrow1s · PostSep 08, 2020#3112020-09-08T20:04+00:00

Wow. And all that parking anyways.

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/1000-Je ... /17692191/

EssTeeEll · PostSep 08, 2020#3122020-09-08T20:43+00:00

I don't hate that rendering on the link (if that's accurate and not just a placeholder), but you lose what...three stories and none of the parking? The loss of height would have been fine if the two stories wrapped down to Lasalle. Oh well.

SeattleNative · PostSep 08, 2020#3132020-09-08T22:35+00:00

Is the parking garage gone? If it's all surface lots around the grocer/office, those can be filled in later. Not the end of the world.

chriss752 · PostSep 08, 2020#3142020-09-08T22:45+00:00

There’s no rendering in the link. That’s a project that they’re using for inspiration. I think the Garage is still included in these plans since it would also serve some of the other aspects of the project.

At this point, I would just tell OPUS to build residential on their portion instead of office. The more residents, the better

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostSep 09, 2020#3152020-09-09T14:29+00:00

I don't see any reason to build more office space off the beaten path when we have so much empty real estate sitting downtown and around the city. I don't see the economics working out on new office space for a long time.

I agree with Chris, Lafayette can easily support more residents and this may be one of the last chances to add more before the neighborhood is essentially built out. A nice condo/market level rent mix would easily be profitable, even now. Maybe throw in a coworking space if you really want an office component.

imran · PostSep 09, 2020#3162020-09-09T19:08+00:00

The good: built to the corner, street trees and pedestrian connections/crosswalks. Only two curb cuts for the gigantic property.

The bad: absence of a form-based code to steer us away from parking lots along main streets.

bwcrow1s · PostSep 10, 2020#3172020-09-10T12:05+00:00

From Bill O'Dell. Christine Ingrassia was kind enough to finally forward my emails to him.

Christine forwarded your email on the Chouteau Avenue Development and the garage. First of all, I agree with you. The garage and building were poorly designed. The developer would have changed the design had they landed the tenant that they were after. As it was, the design won't have passed anyone in the form that they showed. But they knew that at the time and expected to redesign. As it is, they have dropped out, a victim of the pandemic. It is a shame because adding 800 jobs there would have been good for the neighborhood and the city. And most of those would have been new jobs to the city. Unfortunately, the pandemic has made offices as we have known them, somewhat of an endangered species. So, for us involved with the redevelopment on Chouteau Avenue is it back to the drawing board.

On the good news side of things, we will start on the extensive infrastructure, a 128-unit apartment, a 34 unit stacked townhouse building and the townhouses in the next week or so. The first step will be the demolition of everything on the former Praxair site. Let me know if you have any further questions.
cheers and stay safe,
bill

I have no idea where this came from but Opus has officially told the owner of that parcel that they are out of the project. They couldn't make anything work given the pandemic. Yes, feel free to share any of this with anyone. And let me know if you or anyone else has any questions about any of this.

Any speculation on who the tenant could have been? 800 jobs would have been a big win. Residential seems like a no brainer here of course but not sure the cost of entry for high density construction in kind of a stringent historical code area.

Laife Fulk · PostSep 10, 2020#3182020-09-10T13:49+00:00

Kudos for asking and receiving permission to share this info, btw. Seriously. While we all like to know everything that's even being discussed, even projects that are just in the conceptual stage, many of these people / sources have signed NDAs / confidentiality agreements. It's a good reminder that there could be business ramifications to this info being shared.

urbanitas · PostSep 13, 2020#3192020-09-13T00:55+00:00

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑
Sep 10, 2020
Any speculation on who the tenant could have been? 800 jobs would have been a big win. Residential seems like a no brainer here of course but not sure the cost of entry for high density construction in kind of a stringent historical code area.

The other sides might be ok, but who would want a luxury apartment overlooking a Quik-Trip?

But maybe that is a question better addressed to Alderperp Ingrassia, since I'm sure she must have given it some thought...right?

bwcrow1s · PostSep 13, 2020#3202020-09-13T14:58+00:00

She didn't really weigh in on it. She just forwarded my concerns to Bill O'Dell.

Her choice on the QuikTrip wasn't the right one, but a verifiably St. Louis one. And I worry the QT at Lafayette/44 rumor is another that will be coming as well.

quincunx · PostSep 13, 2020#3212020-09-13T16:45+00:00

You'd think between Spring, Grand, and Compton, you could get plenty on and offs to the highway. and remove a lot f the mess.

SeattleNative · PostOct 17, 2020#3222020-10-17T12:24+00:00

Looked like they had started tearing up some of the concrete north of where the homes will be.

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chriss752 · PostNov 07, 2020#3232020-11-07T23:15+00:00

Impact Strategies Construction trailer on site.

framer · PostNov 08, 2020#3242020-11-08T02:51+00:00

What happened to the remains of that old stone house? Wasn't that on this site?

SeattleNative · PostNov 08, 2020#3252020-11-08T02:58+00:00

framer wrote:What happened to the remains of that old stone house? Wasn't that on this site?

It’s just to the west of the site.

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The Edge at Lafayette Square (Praxair Site)

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