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^ the HTC's are a wash, though, unless Ohio has a comparable HTC program that would credit such a project. maybe the seismic codes are a deterrent, but they should be less of an issue for a project like the one above in Toronto that mostly encapsulates the older structure and doesn't rely on it for structural support. (which is closer to what i was imagining for Bemiston place.)

^The problem is not so much the building falling over, as it is being shaken apart and crumbling into a pile. I think the only viable solutions in St. Louis for something like that (from an engineering perspective) would be to brace the facade, demo the rest of the building, and fasten the facade to a new structural wall. Or, dismantle and rebuild it.

Rolla is firmly within the StL sphere of influence. This investment will do more for the StL community than that ugly high rise.

It's a remarkably good use of the money. An honest investment in all of our future's. I hope that it will do a great deal to grow our region so that his grandchildren . . . and probably soon enough his great-great grandchildren can enjoy a strong and prosperous St. Louis.

Sign on Nami Ramen (Central/Maryland) says they are moving soon to FPP/Skinker.

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Oct 20, 2020

Sign on Nami Ramen (Central/Maryland) says they are moving soon to FPP/Skinker.

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Where? Did Kaldi's/Kayak's close?

Where Bobo was

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Oct 21, 2020

Where Bobo was

Ah, should have guessed, but I didn't know that had closed...

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quincunx wrote: ↑

Oct 21, 2020

Where Bobo was

Ah, should have guessed, but I didn't know that had closed...

That and the pizza joint did


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I wonder what Barcelona will do. That’s about the only place left in that strip that I haven’t heard a plan. I thought I heard the donut shop had plans but I can’t remember

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Oct 21, 2020

I wonder what Barcelona will do. That’s about the only place left in that strip that I haven’t heard a plan. I thought I heard the donut shop had plans but I can’t remember

House of Wong on Bemiston (next to the alley) is also still open.

Some updated renderings from the Clayton Architectural Review Board site. There's also some additional information regarding the scope of the project. It shrunk a little bit.

• 236 apartments (down 6 from the original 242 apartments)
• 10,667sf of retail space (down 108sf from the original 10,775sf)

Besides those changes, there are no other changes. Parking (346 spaces) and height remain the same. As does the preservation of the Shanley building. No cost is given yet. I like the brick look they're going for on the Central Avenue side. That should look nice when done. It will be a similar height and massing to Ceylon, which is honestly a solid addition to this stretch.

BEMISTON SIDE




AERIALS



MARYLAND SIDE


CENTRAL SIDE




STREET LEVEL

This has a public hearing tonight (via Zoom): https://www.claytonmo.gov/Home/Componen ... rash=False

And the developer submitted a Conceptual Review Submittal on Dec 1.  It looks like there are a few new renderings: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/y8ekxxe5lrvm ... B_Plan.pdf

Top level is set back along Central.

The bit along Central is looking fantastic.

I think the updates that they did to the design look great.

Now, I may be the only one, but I feel like the apartments facing Central (with the brick facade and old style architecture) should feel like lofts. Ceilings should be higher, have some exposed brick and what not. It would make sense for that portion of the development I think. All the apartments could be modern. But that probably causes logistics and structural issues. Either way though, this seems very appropriate now and I'm glad to see that the developer and architects are working hard to make this as good as it can be.

I feel like the corner restaurant space has the ability to add a lot of life to Central or be a dead space. It has an interesting exterior design as is. All the other retail spaces I fear will sit vacant like the ones at Ceylon did for a while. Overall though, I think this could be a boost to some of the vibrancy and nightlife in Downtown Clayton. There's not much as is.

Good pedestrian scale

Love seeing the protected bike lanes

Storefronts look nice and inviting

Minimal curb cuts

Hidden parking

Incorporates the Shanley

But I’m still going to miss the character of all the individual buildings


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I think this turned out pretty good. I still wish it was about twice as tall but that’s a minor complaint. The walk ups on Maryland were a great idea.

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Oct 27, 2020

BEMISTON SIDE

The devil is in the details, but the red brick loft side is one of the better homages to an historic warehouse building I've seen. Unlike so many of them, the scale of the windows and architectural elements feels right. And the transition to the more modern facade works pretty well.

But the beige brick behind the Shanley Building has to go. They need to either match whatever that is around the Bemiston Place sign, or go with a darker grey or charcoal brick for contrast...anything but beige...

Stltoday - Clayton gives final approval for Bemiston Place mixed-use development

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 8ad43.html

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Dec 24, 2020

Stltoday - Clayton gives final approval for Bemiston Place mixed-use development

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 8ad43.html

I find it surprising that we won't see work actually start here for another year and a half, but it also makes some sense. I don't really pay attention, but are the businesses in the buildings targeted for demolition still open? Maybe this is their period to find a new home.

The plan to be finished in Feb 2024!