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HBE pulled their plans and there is little expectation at this point that they will resubmit.

I'm okay with that. They showed little care for Clayton's master plan, retail, or character. I'm sure there's better out there.

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Curious what happens with all these businesses that had been planning to move out of their spaces on N Central. I know some already had made other plans (JP Fields moving across the street, etc). 

jshank83 wrote:Curious what happens with all these businesses that had been planning to move out of their spaces on N Central. I know some already had made other plans (JP Fields moving across the street, etc). 

Cobbler's Corner shoe repair, next to Nami Ramen, has a sign on the door saying they lost their lease because of redevelopment.

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I wish they would do something to help bring more residential living to the downtown. I love the charming character of downtown clayton but the reality is there are at least two vacant retail spaces on every block. I think more residences would help support the local restaurants and business that dont get much traffic after the core business hours. 

^ isn’t it odd that you get that feel from downtown Clayton and I get a feel like it’s a surgery room of a hospital?

^I don't want to perpetuate an off topic argument, but is there any point to trash talking Clayton in that particular way? It looks like an aesthetic judgment. We all have our style preferences and it hurts when someone else steps on them like that.

I think you can level legitimate criticisms at downtown Clayton, and there may be one buried in there, but if so I think it probably gets a little lost in the analogy.

WendysWrld wrote:I wish they would do something to help bring more residential living to the downtown.

In the past 2 years the Ceylon (121), Barton (229), and Two Twelve Clayton (250) opened bringing ~600 apartments to Downtown Clayton.

In addition, Clayton is directly bordered by dense, strong residential. 

Wow this looks promising. And it saves the historic DMV building.


https://bemistonplace.com

I approve of it so far. I wonder if this is still Fred Kummer or if he is out of the picture. It matches the size of Ceylon, so that's good for density. Design looks decent too. The Shanley Building being saved is a win too.

This project is not yet on the Clayton ARB Pending Applications page. The website linked by Moorlander says a September 14th virtual meeting

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I approve of it so far. I wonder if this is still Fred Kummer or if he is out of the picture. 

MO Secretary of State' s Office shows "Bemiston Place LLC" was registered in July by Steve Brown at Balke Brown/2B Residential, which I think developed Cortona, Alinea, M Lofts, and several other new and rehab projects around STL.

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chriss752 wrote: ↑

Sep 02, 2020

I approve of it so far. I wonder if this is still Fred Kummer or if he is out of the picture. 

MO Secretary of State' s Office shows "Bemiston Place LLC" was registered in July by Steve Brown at Balke Brown/2B Residential, which I think developed Cortona, Alinea, M Lofts, and several other new and rehab projects around STL.

Very interesting. Thanks for searching and digging the answer. Balke Brown/2B is also behind the new cancelled 4915 West Pine project. 

Good stuff!

Neat. Hope the Central side is as engaging as the current buildings. Man Maryland looks big and empty in that rendering.

I’m in the minority but I’d rather see the DMV building gone and the new building built all the way out to the sidewalks.

Just not personally a fan of that building and I think it looks out of place with the new building around it, especially if it stays a DMV and isn’t fixed up.

It'll be interesting to see what plans they have for the Shanley. Continue as the DMV? Renovate for exclusive office space? Event space for the new apartment residents? 








 

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I approve of it so far. I wonder if this is still Fred Kummer or if he is out of the picture.

The BJ says "HBE founder Fred Kummer in talks to sell Clayton property", not sure if that just applies to this parcel, or all of his property.

Balke Brown is really just a regional associate/office of Transwestern. Transwestern is a national developer with very deep pockets.

jshank83 wrote:I’m in the minority but I’d rather see the DMV building gone and the new building built all the way out to the sidewalks.

Just not personally a fan of that building and I think it looks out of place with the new building around it, especially if it stays a DMV and isn’t fixed up.

I’m with you. A full restoration could be cool and make it worth it, otherwise it is really just a shape sitting there, not a holistic building to save. Interior and exterior are altered and in horrible condition. I’m typically all for preservation but that one doesn’t rate for me. Hoping they do something really cool with it, because it doesn’t fit in the design.


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It's a shame and big flaw that it doesn't engage the street. It seems more sculpture than a place for people. The buildings on Central do engage, which is why their loss must be made up for by the proposed new building.

It's considered to be the first Modernist building in Missouri. It's historical. How it "interacts with the street" is irrelevant.