Sounds like it will be shot down after reading that thread by Michael Calhoun.
Yep. It is going to have to get a makeover for sure. Like I said earlier, I figured there would be pushback but not this much. The shadow thing I think is a little extreme but whatever works to make them remake it I guess.
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Boy...this project took quite a beating last night at City Hall.
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You know you're in trouble when people are complaining about "noise from the flagpole".
I've been saying for years and years now on these development boards how St. Louis needs to "jazz it up" with design.
So I agree that Clayton and metro St. Louis - as a whole - deserve better avant-garde architecture. The timid St. Louis risk-adverse approach to design should have ended once 100 NK was revealed.
Even the mock-up of 9 Bemiston (or whatever it's called) is ducked up. It's hideous.
Maybe if that Indy firm had moved forward with its residential tower proposal for Forsyth, maybe everyone would have been spared the agony of debating this monstrosity.
So I agree that Clayton and metro St. Louis - as a whole - deserve better avant-garde architecture. The timid St. Louis risk-adverse approach to design should have ended once 100 NK was revealed.
Even the mock-up of 9 Bemiston (or whatever it's called) is ducked up. It's hideous.
Maybe if that Indy firm had moved forward with its residential tower proposal for Forsyth, maybe everyone would have been spared the agony of debating this monstrosity.
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it doesn't even need to be avant garde, it just needs to be sensible and relate to the context around it with tasteful materials. it's on the edge of the business district so it naturally needs to be a step down from the density of say centene, and the demolition of most of the existing fabric and intact, historic streetwall for THIS design is inexcusable.arch city wrote: I've been saying for years and years now on these development boards how St. Louis needs to "jazz it up" with design.
So I agree that Clayton and metro St. Louis - as a whole - deserve better avant-garde architecture. The timid St. Louis risk-adverse approach to design should have ended once 100 NK was revealed.
Even the mock-up of 9 Bemiston (or whatever it's called) is ducked up. It's hideous.
Maybe if that Indy firm had moved forward with its residential tower proposal for Forsyth, maybe everyone would have been spared the agony of debating this monstrosity.
Despite push back....beware....Kummer is no pushover. I used to work for him briefly years ago. A friend worked for him even longer at the HBE Creve Coeur office. Kummer's not a bad person.....just highly anal and persistent. The design probably won't change much. I'd be surprised.
I'd agree with you 100% IF Clayton's skyline wasn't so boxy, predictable and sleepy. The density of downtown structures is jelling for the most part, but the towers are so utilitarian. There's not a whole lot of fun. Some, but not much. Can we get a vertical garden tower, something asymmetrical, something twisted, staggered, a building with cut-outs or something with a lighted LED spire or crown on them? It's about time....past time.warwickland wrote: it doesn't even need to be avant garde, it just needs to be sensible and relate to the context around it with tasteful materials
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Skyline pic for reference
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Kummer isn’t building a 21 story tower here. It will be much shorter if at all.
Kummer isn’t building a 21 story tower here. It will be much shorter if at all.
Graybar fought the Westin Hotel proposal because it would block their view of the arch. They then bought the property and found a developer (Opus) who’d agree to build a shorter building. Now we have the Ceylon. I wonder what lengths Graybar will go here?
So has Clayton put an overall height ordinance in place? Or just near the residential neighborhood?moorlander wrote: Skyline pic for reference
Kummer isn’t building a 21 story tower here. It will be much shorter if at all.
That skyline photo is nice and the density is real. Centene and 212 South Meramec really help. Imagine some sweeter curvier, sexier designs there.
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Looks like my above statements were wrong.
The tower is still planned at 21 stories with underground parking and retail along Bemiston. Mid to low rise retail along Central.
I’ve made suggestions for more glass in the redesign so we’ll see where that goes. Kummer wants it red brick and stone.
The tower is still planned at 21 stories with underground parking and retail along Bemiston. Mid to low rise retail along Central.
I’ve made suggestions for more glass in the redesign so we’ll see where that goes. Kummer wants it red brick and stone.
Just noticed this detail. Can anyone interpret the cartouche/coat of arms?
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It's a Fleur DeLis.framer wrote: Just noticed this detail. Can anyone interpret the cartouche/coat of arms?
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You can see it on the elevation on Chris's May 7th post. Also, why'd we bring this building back up? I had forgotten how hideous it was and my life was better for it.framer wrote: Just noticed this detail. Can anyone interpret the cartouche/coat of arms?
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Woh - I kind of forgot about this one. That was a quick announcement to kickoff...
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Haven't been on N. Central in a while. Have all of those businesses north of the alley closed down already or are they still open?
The picture above is the wrong side of the alley. That side was purchased by Ken Poteet, M1 bank, they are renovating the old mortgage office for their own use.
No one has moved out yet on the Kummer (north side), in fact tenants, who were all giving notice to be out by February, we just recently given notice that they can stay past February on a month to month basis.
No one has moved out yet on the Kummer (north side), in fact tenants, who were all giving notice to be out by February, we just recently given notice that they can stay past February on a month to month basis.
