Lets face it . This development is officially DEAD!!!
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Prophett wrote:Lets face it . This development is officially DEAD!!!
prove it
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Prophett wrote:Lets face it . This development is officially DEAD!!!
Do we have any legitimate reason to believe that, and/or do you have inside info? It's hardly the first major local project to encounter delays.
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Prophett wrote:Lets face it . This development is officially DEAD!!!
You need to tell the city, because they have blocked off 8th street thinking that work would be starting in the next few weeks.
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Prophett wrote:Lets face it . This development is officially DEAD!!!
What the ***** are you talking about?
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southslider wrote:Washington Avenue looks amazing from street-level, but as a skyline, it's boring. The Gateway Mall looks more impressive from the Arch, but it's very dead at street-level. Personally, I'd take horizontal vibrancy over vertical density.
Thats completely insane. Houston has a buttload of huge towers and a very tall skyline, but it is honestly one of the most boring cities i have been to. It has almost no night-life. Everything in Houston is business and boring.
Prophett wrote:Lets face it . This development is officially DEAD!!!
Why do they have a sales office then?
Right. This is interesting, because it seems that more and more folks are coming out of the woodworks with interests that are contrary to urban development. Kind of makes one wonder.steve wrote:Why do they have a sales office then?Prophett wrote:Lets face it . This development is officially DEAD!!!
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Ok everyone, he was just being a cynic. There is no word anywhere from anyone and or any signs that this project is anywhere near dead. (in fact, just the opposite, as they are preparing to close 8th.) Back to the tower.
I have received a couple of emails from people involved in the development, including one asking for a name change of this thread to reflect the official name of the tower. All indications point towards this project being alive and well.
Well, maybe Prophett just isn't very good at realizing his name. Or it was a prediction.
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Wait...Robert's Tower isn't the official name of the tower, or was it allready changed from something before?
Robert's Tower is the official name. It's had a couple of other names, but they have all contained Roberts Tower.
I drove by about an hour ago and 8th St. is now officially closed.
I drove by about an hour ago and 8th St. is now officially closed.
Perhaps it is about practical safety, but is it really necessary to close the street (block) every time a new project is about to start downtown?
They don't do this kind of stuff in New York and Chicago. They canopy sidewalks.
They don't do this kind of stuff in New York and Chicago. They canopy sidewalks.
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I know it's going to take great sacrifice and hardship, but somehow I think I'll manage to survive with 8th Street being closed.
I actually agree with both of you (arch and cs). While I don't see why we always have to close streets for this stuff, I don't think it's a huge burden.
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I agree that the street closign is no big deal - it is odd though. Other cities seem to be ale to build without closing off streets. I just got back from Seattle and they're building everywhere ... and they don;t close any streets.
I don't know about y'all, but I likes my parking abundant, my siding vinyl, and my streets closed.
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markofucity wrote:I agree that the street closign is no big deal - it is odd though. Other cities seem to be ale to build without closing off streets. I just got back from Seattle and they're building everywhere ... and they don;t close any streets.
I suspect it is because of the small footprint of this building.
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Go to ssp (skyscraperpage.com) and check out the thread for the building that is 40+ stories in new york(don't know the exact thread...relatively easy to find though). It has a smaller footprint than this and is going to be over twice as tall. The street is entirely open in front of the building. I think we just don't have the same accessibility concerns of ny and chi right now. That street can be circumvented rather easily without much harm.
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newstl2020 wrote:Go to ssp (skyscraperpage.com) and check out the thread for the building that is 40+ stories in new york(don't know the exact thread...relatively easy to find though). It has a smaller footprint than this and is going to be over twice as tall. The street is entirely open in front of the building. I think we just don't have the same accessibility concerns of ny and chi right now. That street can be circumvented rather easily without much harm.
That last part is probably the answer. I suspect it's a lot easier to build, the more room you have. And like you said, we're not NY or Chicago. I have no problem at all with them closing 8th, if it expedites the matter.
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I think you guys need to put into perspective the narrowness of our street grid and the small size of our city "blocks.' Compared to new york and chicago streets ours are euro-esque, and our blocks are at best ~1/3 the length of one in those cities. I think both of these add to the lack of impact, and need for staging and crane erection.
THat said, it is interesting that the Syndicate hasn't needed to fully shut down 10th, though they also have forgone the use of a full sixe contruction crane.
Not a big deal if you ask me.
THat said, it is interesting that the Syndicate hasn't needed to fully shut down 10th, though they also have forgone the use of a full sixe contruction crane.
Not a big deal if you ask me.
Also, consider that the construction of the plaza precludes the use of that section of the site for staging. The rest of the block is full making the street the only available space.
TheWayoftheArch wrote: Compared to new york and chicago streets ours are euro-esque, and our blocks are at best ~1/3 the length of one in those cities.
If you use the distance key on Google Maps, you'll see that city blocks in NYC are just a bit longer than downtown STL blocks. Though not by much. Chicago's are considerably longer.
Streets are blocked off in St. Louis because the city lets developers get away with it. It's not done in other cities, it is quite disruptive for people who live in the area, and it is entirely unnecessary.