Yes, some people dont appreciate old cities and prefer the sprawling suburban styled cities of the sunbelt, but St. Louis could learn a lot from Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Milwaukee. Former industrial cities that have changed the narrative and cleaned up their cities.PlatinumBlues wrote: ↑3:24 PM - 19 days agoTwitter overall can be good & bad i personally find it to be more on the negative spectrum.. I do tend so see a varied view of St.Louis in my feed. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with sharing both negative & positive’s about St.Louis. The truth is they don’t know the good stuff that’s going on behind closed doors in St.Louis like we do all they can do is speculate….
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While that is true, this story is reaching more than just the ≈10% that use twitter. Like we're discussing it here, its on the local news, and it was said on live television in front of possibly millions of viewers that aren't even from STL and now have this negative perception of the city.jtlq53 wrote: ↑2:34 PM - 19 days agoI'm going to repeat myself from another thread... one thing I had to realize at some point is that ~10% of people use Twitter, many less than that will see that tweet/thread, and it will be gone into the ether in days. I'm not happy that people post or feel that way, but it's completely outside of my control, therefore I can't get super stressed out about it. It doesn't lead to any solutions
It has been a pretty diverse demographic of people that have bashed St. Louis. Everything from liberal black women to conservative white men to moderate Asian women. It's a common consensus that St. Louis is not the place to be and it's largely based on their experiences downtown. Very few have been to our different neighborhoods. Downtown is our regions front door and often first impression. Unfortunately, suburbanites dont realize that if St. Louis City keeps failing in perception tests, the value of their homes will continue to stagnant and their young people will continue to leave for cities with vibrant central cities. Look at Nashville, It really is a generic city with nothing to offer, but it has done an awesome job boosting downtown Nashville and it's changed the trajectory of their region. Washington Avenue would be 10x better than Broadway with the right investment but regional leadership has to care.
Thanks for sharing. Who was the speaker?Dev7 wrote:I am a student at Mizzou, and we had a forum with some commercial real estate companies the other day. There was probably about 400-500 people packed into the auditorium for the event. One of the speakers started talking about how Downtown St. Louis is dead and then she started talking about how Clayton is where businesses want to be. This gives the city a bad rep to a bunch of the people in the room, who are from all over the country, some even from overseas.
Made it to r/baseball on Reddit tooDev7 wrote:While that is true, this story is reaching more than just the ≈10% that use twitter. Like we're discussing it here, its on the local news, and it was said on live television in front of possibly millions of viewers that aren't even from STL and now have this negative perception of the city.jtlq53 wrote: ↑2:34 PM - 19 days agoI'm going to repeat myself from another thread... one thing I had to realize at some point is that ~10% of people use Twitter, many less than that will see that tweet/thread, and it will be gone into the ether in days. I'm not happy that people post or feel that way, but it's completely outside of my control, therefore I can't get super stressed out about it. It doesn't lead to any solutions
Looked her up, apparently she works at JLL which is literally based downtown.Dev7 wrote:Her name is Amanda Enger. She's pretty young, I believe that she said she graduated around 2020. Either way, she said what she said and most of the speakers on the panel shook their heads in agreement.
Agreed, and I've said this a few times, but we need a coordinated, long-term PR program. The decades of actual harm that have come upon STL—some self-inflicted, some not—are not just going to magically erode once we bottom out. It will take our current positive improvements in crime/development/etcaddxb2 wrote: ↑3:42 PM - 19 days agoBut maybe we can start talking about the good stuff…? St. Louis does not have a shortage of white men sharing negative opinions. I’ve considered using Claude to setup a propaganda machine with a few hundred for advertising.
, which are worth celebrating AND a deliberate effort to unravel and retell our history (both good and bad) to move the city/region back in a positive national direction.Very very very big part.seanmcelligott28 wrote:I wonder how much local culture plays a part I lived in st. Louis most of my life and I just feel a lot of people in the region don't want anything to do with / no interest in downtown. Even if everything was perfect and 100 percent they still wont want to go to downtown. Let alone live there.
Some things I notice in the region with a lot of people here.
1. A new house built or former farm land with a big new truck is a status symbol.
2. Density, older homes, public transit is seen as poor people thighs
3. Older people are some of the raciest I ever meet
Unfortunately, I think St. Louis loses some of it's most talented and dynamic people from all different class and racial backgrounds, because the local culture is so pessimistic and backwards thinking.seanmcelligott28 wrote: ↑6:32 PM - 19 days agoI wonder how much local culture plays a part I lived in st. Louis most of my life and I just feel a lot of people in the region don't want anything to do with / no interest in downtown. Even if everything was perfect and 100 percent they still will not go downtown. Let alone live there.
Some things I notice in the region with a lot of people here.
1. A new house built or former farm land with a big new truck is a status symbol.
2. Density, older homes, public transit is seen as poor people thighs
3. Older people are some of the most raciest I ever met.
I just feel downtown being stagnant is a symptom of local culture that is not often brought up. When I lived downtown most of the people I met in my building came from outside the metro.
I don’t think the leaders in St.Louis & the region are creative enough to want better for the region alone downtown. I mean Spencer literally detailed the green line for her own ego..It’s astonishing that there’s no initiative to rebuild North St.Louis. Can you imagine a rapidly rebuilding North St.Louis with an already established green line. Instead year after year decade after decade we look at the same decaying homes & rubble streets with grass growing in them like the apocalypse literally happened. Having a dead North St.Louis alone hurts downtown more than trying to get people from within the region to visit the city….St.Louis history is very messed up with the erasing of so many neighborhoods sometimes I wonder if the Arch is bad luck. You’d think that having a world class symbol as your front door would lead to a prosperous city & region however it’s the exact polar opposite…….goat314 wrote:Yes, some people dont appreciate old cities and prefer the sprawling suburban styled cities of the sunbelt, but St. Louis could learn a lot from Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Milwaukee. Former industrial cities that have changed the narrative and cleaned up their cities.PlatinumBlues wrote: ↑3:24 PM - 19 days agoTwitter overall can be good & bad i personally find it to be more on the negative spectrum.. I do tend so see a varied view of St.Louis in my feed. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with sharing both negative & positive’s about St.Louis. The truth is they don’t know the good stuff that’s going on behind closed doors in St.Louis like we do all they can do is speculate….
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