I'm not wanting that either.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Mar 06, 2023^^ Thanks for the map highlighting the lots I specifically mentioned, the Blue is more than plenty. There doesn’t need to be some massive “hockey district,” just some quality infill that would allow for a handful of restaurants and bars to open up closer to the stadium and maybe allow for a new hotel and a couple apartment buildings. As I said, no real reason to deck the MetroLink tracks. Plenty of space available to do something meaningful near the primary entrances to the building and the public transit station.
. Also, there are many fine examples of Brutalism worth preserving.But those lots don't have Market street traffic in front of their door. Yes, they're sitting there waiting to roll: but they're marooned in a no-mans land.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Mar 06, 2023I don’t have any affinity for that building but it seems wasteful for the city to demolish and replace functional offices behind the arena instead of redeveloping the surface parking lots across from all three main entrances. Just my opinion though.
I laughed at this. well done.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Mar 06, 2023To be fair, we're an online forum of nerds (myself included). Yelling at other people for their hypothetical pipedreams not 100% aligning with yours is kinda what we do here.
Dweebe, Why the difficult choice when you did a great job of laying out the area on your other post.dweebe wrote: ↑Mar 06, 2023Sophies Choice: you have to tear down one of the following buildings completely for a new tall residential tower and hotel with street level retail. Pick one:
- City Courts Building and lot behind it.
- Post Office Complex
- City Health Dept/old Farm Bureau
I actually believe St. Louis could support an NBA team and it would be a big hit. It feels weird a market the size of St. Louis doesn't have at least NBA or NFL. Those are the two biggest sports leagues.dredger wrote: ↑Mar 07, 2023Dweebe, Why the difficult choice when you did a great job of laying out the area on your other post.dweebe wrote: ↑Mar 06, 2023Sophies Choice: you have to tear down one of the following buildings completely for a new tall residential tower and hotel with street level retail. Pick one:
- City Courts Building and lot behind it.
- Post Office Complex
- City Health Dept/old Farm Bureau
New tall residential tower on the Old Muni's court building back lot, a new hotel tower just south of Enterprise center next to a new intermodal transportation hub and the hotel that closed up nearby becomes refurbished apartments, all resident. You could probably convert Old Muni into some stately office and or fill in some of the remaining parking areas along I64 with some more office.
Got it nailed, how much more vibrancy can I add and as Laife eloquently stated it with a scene of one of the best action films of all time I believe that I have been pushing my development pipe dream as part of a St Louis NBA expansion for a good couple of years now.
But remember, stadiums are bad for downtowns.pdm_ad wrote: ↑Mar 07, 2023^^I was listening to TMA on 590 this morning while Tim McKernan was texting with Eddie McVey of Maggie O'Brien's who said Saturday was his biggest day outside of a few St. Patrick's Parade days. There's going to be a lot of happy businesses down there with all the foot traffic.
I really don't have a problem with Houston as they haven't struck out twice. Plus it would just be a move into their existing downtown arena.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑Mar 07, 2023As well, rumored is houston.
Lots of people are pissed and want Quebec back, or something like Hartford or Milwaukee but the 'small market' argument is perpetually there. I personally agree but the NHL is a business now, unfortunately would go after dollars than doubling down on increasing accessibility for low income households and NHL culture/legacy at cost of going into kind of lukewarm larger markets because they know the revenue streams will be there no doubt.
