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bonwich wrote:

First, it's ridiculous for you to make up a definition of what I said. If you want a source to back up the population boom, how about this quote from an April 10th AP article, "People are starting to come back, too. As evidence: After a half-century of decline, the city's population rose for the third straight year in 2005, to nearly 353,000. Cloar said the population of downtown, now 10,000, is expected to double by 2010."

Hmmm. In 2006, Cloar said the population of downtown was expected to double by 2010. And you said (forgive me if I quote exactly) "Downtown's population is doubling every couple of years NOW."



And I'm the one who's "ridiculous" and "mak(ing) up a definition"? Geez, I hope you don't use the same level of math and communications skills when you apply for a bank loan for your new loft or downtown business.



As for your other question: Privileged conversations. I respect the term "off the record."

If downtown's population on April 10, 2006 is 10,000 and by Jan. 1 2010 is 20,000 then when would the doubling occur? The answer is between April 10, 2006 and Jan. 1 2010. Today meets that definition, so using the word NOW, would make sense.

bonwich wrote:For the record, I need to race home to my home on a cul-de-sac (true) in the exurbs (it's past 270, but I would define "exurb" as at least St. Chuck County), which is likely however older than any downtown loft. I just wouldn't want anyone to think that I'm uppity and just walking away from the discussion.

stlmike wrote:^

I've gotten the feeling that the restaurant business might be slower with residents. But I have always thought that it would be strange to suspect that residents would eat out at a sitdown upper-scale restaurant like Copia or even a bar like the Dubliner every night or even often. In no location that I've ever lived have I spent that much on dinner much more than once every weekend or two. There aren't enough faster places, or delis, as we've said many places on this board. I think these would be more successful. Especially if they were run well and felt clean.

james wrote:The Barclay Center Towers towers look like someone dropped an architectural model down the stairs and afterwards tried to passed it off as being designed that way. Give me a break.

Just north of the Edward Jones Dome and along I-70 is the 17-acre area known as The Bottle District, site of another major development.



A large green bottle-shaped sign advertising Vess soda, a St. Louis-made product, is the most famous landmark of an area with a long tradition for brewing and bottling companies. The district is taking its name from thousands of distinctive bottles unearthed as work began on the $300 million complex.



Three brothers, who are the third-generation owners of St. Louis-based McGuire Moving and Storage, are working to transform the property.



Dan McGuire was in Atlanta when the St. Louis Rams won the 2000 Super Bowl and liked the energy there. He began to wonder why something similar couldn't be done in his city. His project has changed course along the way, and parted ways with an outside developer, but he remains committed to it. Plans call for an eight-screen movie theater, as many as six restaurants, an upscale bowling alley and martini bar, a park and residential development.



Demolition has already taken place along five blocks. McGuire said renovation to two existing buildings could begin this spring, with all the work taking about two years.



St. Louis-based Forum Studio is the architect, though McGuire said talks continue with architect Daniel Libeskind, the ground zero master planner who also designed a new wing for the Denver Museum of Art and the Jewish Museum in Berlin, about designing something for the district. The overall look of the district has not been finalized.