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Gone Corporate wrote:

metzgda wrote:

TGE-ATW wrote:Ed Golterman should be put in an asylum. He is one of the most unhinged people in the city and his obsession with the Kiel is pathological. While I can respect his passion, he is a 24 carat crank and quite likely does more to stifle the progress of the Kiel by alienating and pestering possible allies than he does to help it. Not only does he wear a tinfoil hat, it has one of those little propellers attached to it.

Does he have some sort of financial obligation to the project? It would sure seem this way. Otherwise I have no idea why someone would post the crap he does.

I'd doubt he has enough private capital to be directly involved in any of this in a tangible, credible financial way.



Odds are, this is being done for the same reasons those sad teenage girls cut their wrists: cries for attention, some satisfaction of self-control & self-determination, feelings of social isolation & not feeling like they are loved, and possibly wanting that vampire guy from Twilight to rescue them.

DeBaliviere wrote:

Gone Corporate wrote:

metzgda wrote:

Does he have some sort of financial obligation to the project? It would sure seem this way. Otherwise I have no idea why someone would post the crap he does.

I'd doubt he has enough private capital to be directly involved in any of this in a tangible, credible financial way.



Odds are, this is being done for the same reasons those sad teenage girls cut their wrists: cries for attention, some satisfaction of self-control & self-determination, feelings of social isolation & not feeling like they are loved, and possibly wanting that vampire guy from Twilight to rescue them.

I think you need to post that in response to one of his STLToday rants.

crazy dude wrote:suggest that the struggling and failing business and residents of downtown St. Louis file a class action law suit seeking $400 million from the Kiel Killers (penalties and damages.)

bsever wrote:

DeBaliviere wrote:

Gone Corporate wrote: I'd doubt he has enough private capital to be directly involved in any of this in a tangible, credible financial way.



Odds are, this is being done for the same reasons those sad teenage girls cut their wrists: cries for attention, some satisfaction of self-control & self-determination, feelings of social isolation & not feeling like they are loved, and possibly wanting that vampire guy from Twilight to rescue them.

I think you need to post that in response to one of his STLToday rants.

I can't believe it. People whine and moan constantly on this forum that people don't give a crap about this city's landmarks and architecture, and here's a guy who is passionate about the Kiel and is its biggest cheerleader and this is the kind of support he gets? So he doesn't go about it the way that you would - if you ever would - but at least he's putting himself out there. Just thinking "gee, I'd like to see the Kiel saved" doesn't do the city or the Kiel any good, it just makes you feel better about your urbanist bonafides. If you have such disdain for crazy people, please heap it on someone who really has it coming, such as the wacknut that dragged down the Avalon.

metzgda wrote:

bsever wrote:

DeBaliviere wrote:

I think you need to post that in response to one of his STLToday rants.

I can't believe it. People whine and moan constantly on this forum that people don't give a crap about this city's landmarks and architecture, and here's a guy who is passionate about the Kiel and is its biggest cheerleader and this is the kind of support he gets? So he doesn't go about it the way that you would - if you ever would - but at least he's putting himself out there. Just thinking "gee, I'd like to see the Kiel saved" doesn't do the city or the Kiel any good, it just makes you feel better about your urbanist bonafides. If you have such disdain for crazy people, please heap it on someone who really has it coming, such as the wacknut that dragged down the Avalon.

Clearly you have not read as many of his posts as I have then. If you had, you would see he is far from a chearleader of St. Louis and instead is a cheerleader of this one project and frequently complains about other positive projects that are moving ahead with the Kiel renovation not. That doesn't sound like someone looking out for the best for St. Louis, but instead the best for himself.

03.26.2010 10:19 am
Kiel deal is close, Checketts says
By David Nicklaus
St. Louis Post-Dispatch

St. Louis Blues owner Dave Checketts says he remains committed to, and optimistic about, a renovation of the Kiel Opera House. Speaking at a Regional Chamber and Growth Association breakfast today, Checketts said:

I keep thinking we’re at the finish line, and if we had had some better options in the credit market we would be there. We’re getting close; I know I’ve said that before. … I haven’t lost the passion to do it.

Checketts said today that the problem is in lining up senior bank loans. He said SCP had revised the deal “about a hundred times” in an attempt to satisfy the banks, but without success so far. Underwriters remain confident that they can sell the bond portion of the financing, Checketts said.

Moorlander wrote:In today's BJ
SCP Worldwide is working on securing financing for its $74 million plan to reopen Kiel Opera House, at 1400 Market St. The developers’ inability to secure financing for the project has delayed its planned opening from this year to a new target opening in spring 2011.

Gone Corporate wrote:On Golterman, whoever this guy is:

He’s the fat guy at the Rams game, drunk and shirtless with black & yellow war paint across his chest. He has fake dreadlocks and JACKSON across his back, mimicking the RB’s jersey, and he’s loud with his cheers throughout the game. Those wearing Packers jerseys nearby shy away for fear of his wrath, which even the Rams fans nearby are hoping he doesn’t unleash. Yes, he’s a cheerleader, and I’m glad he’s for the Rams as opposed to the Packers or whatever other team there is. Plus, he’s a character, and characters are what make this world fun and interesting for all of us collective individuals.

However, if he ever says that he could seriously do better than the athletes on the field at propelling the running game, you call him an arrogant simpleton, as that’s what he’s being. Or, more commonly, a drunk jack*ss. And, he makes dedicated Rams fans look bad.

What if this guy then said the Rams were being run conspiratorially by the Cardinals to throw games, so StL can only have one quality pro sports team, and for that the management is intentionally losing? You’d call him a crackpot. Sure, he still has the paint and the fanaticism for the team, but he’s clearly out to lunch. You can say he’s a fan, but you must also say he’s a stain and an exceptional annoyance. You can’t enjoy the game because he’s drunk and smells like old cheese from five rows away; who wants to hear his conspiracy rants now?

When you see him shirtless, loud, & obnoxious, standing outside of Busch Stadium wearing a placard claiming cross-town conspiracy, you’ll see him in a comparable light. Asking for a $400M lawsuit is fanaticism taken too far.

Focus: Kiel being rebuilt is a good thing, and I hope it happens soon.