^Was an airline announced? Is it China Eastern?
This is quite exciting and I just can't believe is not getting more press locally. Of all the projects/announcements in the last decade in St. Louis, none in my opinion have the chance to fundamentally change the region like this one. We now know that there is a commercial Chinese airline backed by the Chinese government that knows there is profit to be made by exporting from a hub in St. Louis. If an agreement is reached, this has the potential to snowball into a HUGE win. Could more airlines eventually sign on? Would this open imports/exports from South America? Would China companies decide that St. Louis is one of the best options when opening a U.S. based headquarters? The sky's the limit.
Ballpark Village? Whatever. This is the big win today.
Ballpark Village? Whatever. This is the big win today.
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Yeah, the local press has been hesitant to report this. I wonder why that is. Skepticism?
Does that mean that the, what, *five* citations above just from today alone don't count as "the local press"?jaynovahawk07 wrote:Yeah, the local press has been hesitant to report this. I wonder why that is. Skepticism?
Probably because there's still a deal to be brokered. We got the Chinese government's permission to make a deal.
Still amazing news!
And for a delegation to make a side trip while visiting the US says a lot.
I'm thinking (okay hoping) they're looking at investment opportunities (such as where to build all their new North American HQ office towers downtown!)
Still amazing news!
And for a delegation to make a side trip while visiting the US says a lot.
I'm thinking (okay hoping) they're looking at investment opportunities (such as where to build all their new North American HQ office towers downtown!)
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I am dreaming of the McKee Tower at the end of the gateway mall surrounded by mid rize office buildings and sprinkled in with a few sleek condo towers along the new 22nd street in downtown west, full of Chinese and American companies doing business with China. Our new China Town! 
I am so excited by all of this. The china eastern and delta codeshare options seem like a fantastic opportunity.
I may be drawing conclusions... but the delta and china eastern codeshares may be "why" delta has been beefing up St. Louis' flights and destinations to top destinations like Washington DC and NYC in the past few months.
They may have known that these opportunities would be arrising here in STL or were also "betting" on it.
Overall, great news for Lambert International and the entire city.
They may have known that these opportunities would be arrising here in STL or were also "betting" on it.
Overall, great news for Lambert International and the entire city.
O&D traffic at Lambert (passengers starting or ending their travel here) has held up remarkably well over the last (post-American hub) years and is actually comparable to that of Cincinnati and Memphis combined.
Delta's expansion at Lambert has definitely been an attempt to go after American's (first class) business travelers. They jumped in the hole American left behind like Southwest did for mostly the (economy class) leisure traveler.
Delta's current direct flights from STL are to Delta hubs (including the former Northwest hubs) with the exception of a few major business centers (DCA, LGA and RDU).
To accommodate their Skymiles business flyers they will be adding a Delta Skyclub at Lambert this year and I've been hearing strong rumors that Delta is considering adding LAX and BOS to the mix at Lambert. No word yet if and when that will happen though.
The China Eastern flights will initially be flown by pure freighter aircraft. Code-sharing with China Eastern will surely not occur in the first years. I guess it all depends on how successful China Eastern and Delta will be here in the next years. If code-sharing will happen and again, it's a big if I can see Delta moving to the C-terminal where they would have access to the former international gates needed for immigration purposes.
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Whatever will happen though, it will be a great day to see one of these over the skies of St. Louis for the first time. This will send a powerful message to anyone thinking of doing business in our city.
Delta's expansion at Lambert has definitely been an attempt to go after American's (first class) business travelers. They jumped in the hole American left behind like Southwest did for mostly the (economy class) leisure traveler.
Delta's current direct flights from STL are to Delta hubs (including the former Northwest hubs) with the exception of a few major business centers (DCA, LGA and RDU).
To accommodate their Skymiles business flyers they will be adding a Delta Skyclub at Lambert this year and I've been hearing strong rumors that Delta is considering adding LAX and BOS to the mix at Lambert. No word yet if and when that will happen though.
The China Eastern flights will initially be flown by pure freighter aircraft. Code-sharing with China Eastern will surely not occur in the first years. I guess it all depends on how successful China Eastern and Delta will be here in the next years. If code-sharing will happen and again, it's a big if I can see Delta moving to the C-terminal where they would have access to the former international gates needed for immigration purposes.
Whatever will happen though, it will be a great day to see one of these over the skies of St. Louis for the first time. This will send a powerful message to anyone thinking of doing business in our city.
They better send Fred Bird, Robbie Montgomery (and her kitchen), Norm Stewart, heck, even dug up Harry Truman and send them all to the negotiations...
I'm sure they (the negotiations) will go quickly...There's no way you get this far in a business relationship and find surprises, right?
I would just hope they are able to get some type of exclusivity (if we're going to make significant investment in infrastructure) and that the nothing goes down without a giant panda showing up at the St. Louis Zoo...!
I'm sure they (the negotiations) will go quickly...There's no way you get this far in a business relationship and find surprises, right?
I would just hope they are able to get some type of exclusivity (if we're going to make significant investment in infrastructure) and that the nothing goes down without a giant panda showing up at the St. Louis Zoo...!
Its China, once you get the government appointing a company, they are probably pretty ready to follow through as long as their aren’t deal breakers. It’s not a small company; airlines are one of the types of businesses that most countries governments keep very tight control of.
I don't know how big this will end up being, but I am becoming fairly confidant of something happening.
I don't know how big this will end up being, but I am becoming fairly confidant of something happening.
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Hmm...
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... mines.htmlPeabody Energy has inked two deals with Chinese companies to develop coal mines and coal-powered electric plants there.
The White House announced the projects as part of China’s President Hu Jintao’s visit to the U.S. and an agreement announced Wednesday for China to buy $45 billion in U.S. exports.
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From the Washington Post:
On Wednesday, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) praised a newly announced deal with a Chinese airline to create a trade hub in St. Louis, saying he looked forward to "increased agriculture and manufacturing job creation and economic development that this initiative will bring."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
On Wednesday, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) praised a newly announced deal with a Chinese airline to create a trade hub in St. Louis, saying he looked forward to "increased agriculture and manufacturing job creation and economic development that this initiative will bring."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
I think he meant to say that as a soon to be former congressman, he's looking forward to assloads of cash in consulting services that this initiative may provide him.gary kreie wrote:From the Washington Post:
On Wednesday, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) praised a newly announced deal with a Chinese airline to create a trade hub in St. Louis, saying he looked forward to "increased agriculture and manufacturing job creation and economic development that this initiative will bring."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
Let's hope that does happen...It would likely mean a growing business in the Lou...?innov8ion wrote:I think he meant to say that as a soon to be former congressman, he's looking forward to assloads of cash in consulting services that this initiative may provide him.gary kreie wrote:From the Washington Post:
On Wednesday, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) praised a newly announced deal with a Chinese airline to create a trade hub in St. Louis, saying he looked forward to "increased agriculture and manufacturing job creation and economic development that this initiative will bring."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
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Soon to be former congressman? The guy's got 6 years as a Senator.innov8ion wrote:I think he meant to say that as a soon to be former congressman, he's looking forward to assloads of cash in consulting services that this initiative may provide him.gary kreie wrote:From the Washington Post:
On Wednesday, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) praised a newly announced deal with a Chinese airline to create a trade hub in St. Louis, saying he looked forward to "increased agriculture and manufacturing job creation and economic development that this initiative will bring."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
Inno, you are confusing Roy Blunt with Kit Bond. Roy Blunt won Bond's Senate seat in November.
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Yeah, thanks. They're both "b-boys."MattnSTL wrote:Inno, you are confusing Roy Blunt with Kit Bond. Roy Blunt won Bond's Senate seat in November.
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Regarding MidAmerica, I'd wonder if they'll be pursuing the interests of other Chinese airlines specifically, now that they know China Eastern has been named the negotiating airline (designated airline) at Lambert. Perhaps they will now focus on a second Chinese airline, such as China Air. Pure speculation here.
As well, I wonder the likelihood of Chinese shipments to MidAmerica in the near-term after the Chinese government expressed interest in pursuing first entry into the area at Lambert. Will they want to see success first at Lambert before considering supplementing air cargo delivery to the Saint Louis area, or the Midwest in general? How vital is the government's "blessing" to pursue negotiations to closing on a partnership deal? How essential is it for MidAmerica to have the Chinese name an airline to pursue deeper negotiations? Again, pure speculation & conjecture.
All the same, I'm interested in learning more about MidAmerica's differentiation strategies to attract cargo flights, assuming they'll change now that the "Big Idea" for Lambert seems within greater reach.
As well, I wonder the likelihood of Chinese shipments to MidAmerica in the near-term after the Chinese government expressed interest in pursuing first entry into the area at Lambert. Will they want to see success first at Lambert before considering supplementing air cargo delivery to the Saint Louis area, or the Midwest in general? How vital is the government's "blessing" to pursue negotiations to closing on a partnership deal? How essential is it for MidAmerica to have the Chinese name an airline to pursue deeper negotiations? Again, pure speculation & conjecture.
All the same, I'm interested in learning more about MidAmerica's differentiation strategies to attract cargo flights, assuming they'll change now that the "Big Idea" for Lambert seems within greater reach.
Gone Corporate, have to agree that it will be interesting to see what happens over at Mid-America. My impression to date that they have pursued relationships exclusively with Freight Forwarders and other third parties in the logistics Industries. I think it made a lot of sense considering the region can't possibly support two domestic passenger airports. Heck, the region needed a hub just to support the few international flights, outside of tourist destinations, had under TWA.
Don't have the articles dug up but interesting notes on a couple of major US airports that have been in the news. Not directly related, but it bodes well to have capacity already in place considering.
United and American are suing to stop City of Chicago from selling bonds for phase II of their expansion and FAA approved Philly's expansion plan. However, I believe that their is also some major head winds against Philly's expansion from US Air and Southwest.
Don't have the articles dug up but interesting notes on a couple of major US airports that have been in the news. Not directly related, but it bodes well to have capacity already in place considering.
United and American are suing to stop City of Chicago from selling bonds for phase II of their expansion and FAA approved Philly's expansion plan. However, I believe that their is also some major head winds against Philly's expansion from US Air and Southwest.
Negativity or Good Point?
Lambert’s China Hub? Don’t Bet On It
Kelly Hatmaker
January 20, 2011 12:08 PM
ST. LOUIS (KMOX) – No big deal.
That’s the reaction from aviation industry obsever Michael Boyd, to Wednesday’s annoucement that Lambert Airport will soon begin negotiating with a Chinese air carrier for cargo flights. “It might lead to an airplane coming in from China,” Boyd told KMOX’s Charlie Brennan show today. “But a hub, where it would be a major gateway for access from China? Not on a bet.”
link: http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/01/20/ ... bet-on-it/
Lambert’s China Hub? Don’t Bet On It
Kelly Hatmaker
January 20, 2011 12:08 PM
ST. LOUIS (KMOX) – No big deal.
That’s the reaction from aviation industry obsever Michael Boyd, to Wednesday’s annoucement that Lambert Airport will soon begin negotiating with a Chinese air carrier for cargo flights. “It might lead to an airplane coming in from China,” Boyd told KMOX’s Charlie Brennan show today. “But a hub, where it would be a major gateway for access from China? Not on a bet.”
link: http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/01/20/ ... bet-on-it/
Personally I think this guy is missing the point and The Charlie Brennan Show is notoriously negative and pessimistic. Why would the Chinese go this far and negotiations go this long if it is "no big deal"?
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?






