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I've had enough of Isringhausen.

Interesting interaction between fans and GM Mozeliak... Ref: http://www.stltoday.com/discussions/spo ... 609628/all

I Hate Bill Dewitt!!: Mo,



Please describe what it's like living in your little land of make believe where you honestly believe that Cardinal fans should be excited about this team. If you wouldn't mind, go into details, about how in MO's world people are celebrating are three horrible new lefty relievers, and the signing of our awesome new .213 hitting shortstop.



John Mozeliak: First I rather live in my world then yours...it is sunny out today??? No you're right it is 30 something degrees, my girl friend dumped me, and my car won't start.



First, it is not we stink (unless you ask yourself these questions in the mirror) and we make decisions based on scouts, stats, and other information. If we thought Greene was going to hit .213 we would not, I repeat, not make the deal.



Go back to your world and I hope by mid summer you're ready to come out for air.

Good thing he did the chat before the Glaus news came out.



Let's hope Freese is ready for the big leagues.

ThreeOneFour wrote:The reason I'm uninterested in the Cardinals has nothing to do with the low on-field expectations for the 2008 season. Some of the most enjoyable times I had at Busch Stadium II were during the relatively dark days of the early 1990s. I'd go into the reasons why I'm not excited about the Cardinals this year (ownership, management, Ballpark Village delays, dissatisfaction with some of the players that left and some of the people that stayed), but I think they'd be as well-received as Doug's rant against suburbia in the West County thread in the retail/restaurant forum.



I'm still very much a Cardinals fan, and of course I want them to do well, but I just expect to be watching from afar this year more than ever before.

I wrote the above post almost a year ago- and I care even less about the Cardinals now.



I don't blame Mozeliak for sounding off, or for the team's current predicament. But let's face it, there aren't many reasons to be excited about the Cardinals now.

I have to say I am concerned about the Cardinals play. I just hope they are not planning limping into the playoffs. Amazing how a week makes such a difference. It would have to be the greatest collapse ever, for the Cards to lose their division lead, but, a loss today gives the Cubs a chance to move within 8.5. I know that is a lot, but that is not the biggest concern. Carpenter pitched awful the other day, Pinero today, Franklin can't close games, the team is not really hitting (which led to Waino not getting a win), how much could happen over a 6 game stretch. Last night goes to show you how inept the Cards hitting is against almost any lefty. If you play Philly, you had better be able to hit a lefty. They have 2 of the best. With the final series against Chicago, Houston at Houston, at Colorado, at Cincy(been hot lately) and finishing at MIL, the last few weeks are NO cakewalk. They had better wake up or this could go from interesting to very ugly.

^Agreed, no need to panic yet, but there is cause for concern considering the track record of the guys stumbling. Usually when Carp has more than one bad outing, he is hurt, we'll see after the next outing, Pinero has only done it this year, has not been lights out lately, can he maintain the pace he was on? Franklin has never been this dominant, has he tired out? Is he hurt? Is he going to regain his all star form? Can this team ever hit a lefty, regardless of the players on the roster?



Just a few things that cause you to raise an eyebrow, at a team that was previously on a major hot streak.



Understand every team hits a bump in the road, let's hope this is not a locamotive coming to a screeching halt!

I'm most worried about Franklin and the bats at this point.



Hopefully, they're just getting it out of their system now, instead of in the postseason, just like in 2006!

^At least they have already surpassed the 83 win total that got them in the playoffs in 2006.....

We've been losing close games, Franklin was fine today. I'm not too worried about it. We were bound to slow down at some point. We'll be alright as long as we don't panic. The pitching and offense will come around.



The STLToday board is panicking, though. So many Chicken Littles.

No reason to worry. We have the best lineup in the NL after the Phils and a top of the rotation that most team would kill for. If the Cubs cut it to 4 games then we'll talk. Remember this... From August 1 through roughly September 11 the Cubs did not make up ground one single day. Now that's dominance. Image what our record would be if we had had this team all year.



magic number is 10

I just hope they are not planning limping into the playoffs.

^that was my main concern, not losing the division lead. I think that any of the 4 teams that get in from the National League can win the pennant. Nothing is for sure, just look at the 2006 Mets. I expect the Cards to turn it around. I just don't like the way they have been playing over the last 6 games. If you are not concerned about Franklin, then I don't know if you have been watching him implode every night. I was at the game last Sat. and he was awful. I hope he can turn it around.



No panic here, just have some concerns.

Where do I start with last nights game.....Anyone who knows anything about baseball knows Carp did not have it from the start. He missed his spots all night....shocking...RISP....how many men were left in scoring position last night...the lack of clutch hitting was evident. Derosa's error was costly. Ankiel and Glaus looked like boys against men whiffing at those balls. Was Ludwick's bases loaded 'foul' really a foul...that has been questioned. I am very concerned, now that LA has all of the momentum. Now Adam Wainwright is left to save the season. If the Cards lose tonight, it will be very difficult to dig out of this hole. It just seems as if the team was not that focused and still had every opportunity to win. Not to mention, overall, this was a painful poorly played game. Almost 4 hours, what a disaster. Even if they sneak past the Dodgers, they will not beat Philly playing like this. Let's hope they wake up!



GO CARDS!

Great job on the broadcast by TBS.

^They didn't even have the camera angle down the third base line on the Ludwick bases loaded play. They sure had a great view from the blimp though.....



At one point in the 5th inning Stockton complimented Carpenter on how well he pitched.

Well, I'm still waiting for the Cardinals to get out of their funk, and I'm beginning to think I may have to wait until 2010.



I had the dubious privilege of attending Friday night's game, and if any of you told me that a game in which Wainwright started with a 6-0 lead after six innings would quickly erode into a 12-6 loss to the Milwaukee Brewers, I would've told you that you're crazy. Unfortunately, that game typifies the quality of the Cardinals' play over the last three weeks or so. And I can't understand why the offense never seems to click all at once. With the level of talent we have, that's perhaps the biggest disappointment. The Cardinals can still turn this thing around, but my hopes aren't as high as they were several weeks ago. And the media's tendency to spend at least half of the nightly newscasts obsessing over the Cardinals' every move is already grating on my nerves.

I Cannot believe that just happened. 5 Million off Holliday's contract, immediately.



Wainright should have finished. Period. Glaus shouldn't have pitch hit for Rasmus last night. Tony needs to stop thinking.

dweebe wrote:

DOGTOWNB&R wrote:I have to say I am concerned about the Cardinals play. I just hope they are not planning limping into the playoffs. Amazing how a week makes such a difference. It would have to be the greatest collapse ever, for the Cards to lose their division lead, but, a loss today gives the Cubs a chance to move within 8.5. I know that is a lot, but that is not the biggest concern. Carpenter pitched awful the other day, Pinero today, Franklin can't close games, the team is not really hitting (which led to Waino not getting a win), how much could happen over a 6 game stretch. Last night goes to show you how inept the Cards hitting is against almost any lefty. If you play Philly, you had better be able to hit a lefty. They have 2 of the best. With the final series against Chicago, Houston at Houston, at Colorado, at Cincy(been hot lately) and finishing at MIL, the last few weeks are NO cakewalk. They had better wake up or this could go from interesting to very ugly.

Dweebe, I know you were having a little fun with Dogtown in your response above, but based on the Cardinals' overall performance in the last two games, not much has changed since this was written.



I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but based on the way the Cardinals have played since they began their last road trip of the regular season, who really thinks they have a chance to win the next three games and then stand a chance against the winner of the Philadelphia-Colorado series?