^ Don't think so. At least consensus is that Lemp is just too expensive to redevelop. However, it's such a freakin' awesome idea that I'll hold out hope.
goat314 wrote:Which is why McKee is confident in his ability to attract businesses to Northside. I actually expect a lot of these new "businesses" to be more of the food processing, warehousing, light manufacturing variety as oppose to the IT, biotech, white collar jobs that catch headlines.Alex Ihnen wrote:^ and the reality is that there are few 30+ acre sites out there - and fewer still that are TIF ready.
With the new river bridge, the reconstruction of the river docks, and proximity to major highways and the Central Business District, Northside is logistically in a very attractive place. The problem is the extensive amount of blight, perceptions of safety, and lack of infrastructure. Things a few bulldozers and a couple hundred million in TIF can change, and even though McKee says he wont use eminent domain.....dont hold your breath. I can see him truly turning Northside into farmland and giving some of the monied interest (that have been blowing up his phone that past week) a clean slate to work with. This may upset many preservationist but mass clearance and resident relocation is almost inevitable in a project with this kind of scale.
Another thing to look at is the endorsement he received from Lacy Clay today. This thing is moving forward in a way that many people are either unaware of or totally naive too. The lawsuit is settled and dont be surprised if you hear a lot more in the coming months and year. I've been hearing a lot of rumblings about St. Louis and the things poised to happen hear lately from people I know in logistics (specifically rail, but also FedEx and UPS).
Where is Gone Corporate when you need him?
I have no idea what McKee's larger plans are - but believe this - there is no way N StL or any other former urban area will be made in to a large farming operation - the cost of large scale soil remediation vs the meager return on cash crops would be an economic disaster. I would wager there is no farming out side of 1/2 acre community gardens in the plan
Brewing has changed a lot since the Lemp days - breweries were 100% vertically intergrated - hop drying, grain storage and milling, malting, all before you get to actual brewing. Lemp is multi floored, odd floorplates and does not lend its self to modern brewing - which is why Schlafly and now UBC like the large open floorplates of old grocers or industrial buildings respectfully - A smaller brewer like Morgan, or Sq One could take a building at Lemp and make it workAlex Ihnen wrote:^ Don't think so. At least consensus is that Lemp is just too expensive to redevelop. However, it's such a freakin' awesome idea that I'll hold out hope.
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Too bad. That building is crying out for something really cool to be done with it.
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So is the old Falstaff brewery near Gravois.JPCosgrove wrote:Too bad. That building is crying out for something really cool to be done with it.
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Thanks for the call-out. While this is OT to the STL Brewery thread, I do think that NorthSide winning its lawsuit will see massive changes to North City, Downtown, and the areas near the airport, including many businesses that will move into the area. This very much should include manufacturing. Meanwhile, I am personally trying to get a meeting with Paul McKee in the near future to discuss some of his vision, including one major project that I think with 90% certainty will be within the footprint of his area. Not a Chinese company, but definitely a relocation. Or, I think I've figured out something big that may happen in his footprint, but I don't want to talk about it if talking about it could derail the work. If I get word, I'll let you know.goat314 wrote:Where is Gone Corporate when you need him?
Back on topic: Very much, I see breweries going North. I have some hope for Lemp, but I'm not holding my breath...
Meanwhile, I'm very interested in UCBC and how they plan to open their facility to the Grove. Namely, how they add-in seating and a tasting room to the mix is front of my mind. Personally, I hope they go for large tables and communal seating, something with an old-school German feel about it. Amazing work all the same.
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Had an interesting discussion with someone at Schlafly this weekend. They are scouting both city and county locations. The county is more engaged in working with Schlafly to find a 40 acre site (former Chrysler plant in Fenton was mentioned). City tells them to call McKee or other land owners. (I thought the economic development offices were merging??? Did I dream that???). The former site of Pruit Igoe is not an option, too much environmental costs. The Carondelet Coke site near the river, north of the River City Casino has seismic and flooding concerns. They need rail access. They looked at the Hill just north of the former King Chrysler on Kingshighway in that industrial complex. They want to stay in St. Louis, but finding that kind of space will be tough.
I told them this could be a game changer for STL. It could put us on the map as a top 10 beer city in the U.S. If they set up shop in Fenton it would be nothing less than disappointing. That is a total dead zone out there. St. Louis needs to land Schlafly.
I told them this could be a game changer for STL. It could put us on the map as a top 10 beer city in the U.S. If they set up shop in Fenton it would be nothing less than disappointing. That is a total dead zone out there. St. Louis needs to land Schlafly.
I think I'll send them a tweet letting em know where I'd like to see them. Think everyone should consider a tweet/facebook message. They're pretty active
^ Get the impression that Mayor Slay needs to be tweeted.
One should note that their current brewery is actually located in the county and it might be a mutual agreement between the county and city that is dictating the response. Yes, I understand that the tap house started in the city first.
That being said, I have a hard time believing that a suitable site with rail and highway access is not available north and south riverfront.
One should note that their current brewery is actually located in the county and it might be a mutual agreement between the county and city that is dictating the response. Yes, I understand that the tap house started in the city first.
That being said, I have a hard time believing that a suitable site with rail and highway access is not available north and south riverfront.
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^ ? They brew at both locations, but the larger is in the County. I would expect nothing less from the brewer when it says that the city is being helpful, but I fear the real story is a bit different.
Buffalo Sells brewing equipment to new long rumored "Six Mile" brewing in Granite City - Six Mile to open in old bank, Buffalo to stay open and sell other craft beer - probably can live on people with no tolorence for the Pappy's line
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/d ... um=twitter
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/d ... um=twitter
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Feast Magazine claims Tripel Brasserie opens tonight in Lafayette Square.
http://www.feaststl.com/the-feed/articl ... f6878.html
http://www.feaststl.com/the-feed/articl ... f6878.html
That lasted about a week.beer city wrote:Buffalo Sells brewing equipment to new long rumored "Six Mile" brewing in Granite City - Six Mile to open in old bank, Buffalo to stay open and sell other craft beer - probably can live on people with no tolorence for the Pappy's line
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/d ... um=twitter
Now, it sounds like they're really closed.Buffalo, which has been known to be on the sale block for more than a year, will remain open for the imminent future and will still feature a variety of craft beers, mainly from other brewers.
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/d ... 2ec01.html
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Per this tweet, it seems 4 Hands is expanding operations!
With UCBC and 4 Hands expanding seems they are among the winners. I hope 6 Row, Civil Life, Alpha and Perrenial keep on chugging away. I've been really impressed with Alpha so far.
http://instagram.com/p/bRVLkpCMI1/Cutting 2 new drains to make room for more tanks and moving the bottling line
With UCBC and 4 Hands expanding seems they are among the winners. I hope 6 Row, Civil Life, Alpha and Perrenial keep on chugging away. I've been really impressed with Alpha so far.
^Civil life has actually already expanded and maxed out their space (physical space, not the amount of brewing they do). But to be fair, they have a smaller operation than most other breweries.
Perennial is blowing up in Chicago and IMO the best of the bunch. They will certainly expand and fear possibly even moving. No insider knowledge, just know they are big in the Chicago craft scene right now.Mark Groth wrote:Per this tweet, it seems 4 Hands is expanding operations!
http://instagram.com/p/bRVLkpCMI1/Cutting 2 new drains to make room for more tanks and moving the bottling line
With UCBC and 4 Hands expanding seems they are among the winners. I hope 6 Row, Civil Life, Alpha and Perrenial keep on chugging away. I've been really impressed with Alpha so far.
^I don't know if you need to worry about them moving too much. One of the big reasons they are popular in Chicago is probably due to the fact that the guy who started Perennial is a former Goose Island brewer. That's where all of his contacts are.
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I think it's cool that beer lovers are divided on which is the best. I have friends who are devout 4 Hands, UCBC and Perennial drinkers. I think they are all great, so the experience is what separates them...Alpha is fun to sit on the alley side, UCBC's beer garden is PERFECT, Civil Life has the best sandwiches in town and the best selection of board games. Great to only have one fall (Buffalo) thus far; I hope there is room for them all to continue making great beer.
PD article on the Carondelet Coke site:
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... b1709.html
An executive from Green Street Properties, which wants to turn the old industrial site into a business park, said his group is close to landing a first tenant and wants to start construction late this year or early next.
Could this be Schlafly's 40 acres?At 54 acres, Carondelet Coke is one of the largest pieces of vacant land in St. Louis City and redeveloping it has been a top priority for city officials.
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... b1709.html
Thought the same thing...Mark Groth wrote:PD article on the Carondelet Coke site:
An executive from Green Street Properties, which wants to turn the old industrial site into a business park, said his group is close to landing a first tenant and wants to start construction late this year or early next.
Could this be Schlafly's 40 acres?At 54 acres, Carondelet Coke is one of the largest pieces of vacant land in St. Louis City and redeveloping it has been a top priority for city officials.
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... b1709.html
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Imagine how cool it would be to have Schlafly at the old Carondelet Coke site, UCBC on Manchester and Billy Busch's Kraftig on the North side.
Would certainly have the rail access in addition to the great freeway access that a decent size brewery needed.ImprovSTL wrote:Thought the same thing...Mark Groth wrote:PD article on the Carondelet Coke site:
An executive from Green Street Properties, which wants to turn the old industrial site into a business park, said his group is close to landing a first tenant and wants to start construction late this year or early next.
Could this be Schlafly's 40 acres?At 54 acres, Carondelet Coke is one of the largest pieces of vacant land in St. Louis City and redeveloping it has been a top priority for city officials.
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... b1709.html
Wish I caught up with the thread earlier. Thought that was interesting comment by Green Street executive but Schlafly never came to mind,
Another thought - could it be the makings of St. Louis location for Tim Schoen's Brew hub? Didn't think about it until reading's PD article on ex AB's brew execs. Also, a few of the area's craft beers had to go outside to meet demand.ImprovSTL wrote:Thought the same thing...Mark Groth wrote:PD article on the Carondelet Coke site:
An executive from Green Street Properties, which wants to turn the old industrial site into a business park, said his group is close to landing a first tenant and wants to start construction late this year or early next.
Could this be Schlafly's 40 acres?At 54 acres, Carondelet Coke is one of the largest pieces of vacant land in St. Louis City and redeveloping it has been a top priority for city officials.
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... b1709.html
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... 544df.html
Three years ago, Schoen began devising plans for Brew Hub, a company based in Chesterfield. Schoen, its CEO, envisions building multiple facilities around the country where craft brewers are provided sales, marketing and distribution help in addition to brewing their beer outside of their core markets.
Brew Hub ultimately plans to have a network of at least five facilities, including one in the St. Louis area.
Figured this would be a great place to share, The MX Theater will be hosting The St. Louis Premiere of Crafting a Nation on Thursday, July 18th
Crafting A Nation tells stories of local economies, where a brewery serves as a catalyst to a chain reaction which occurs from breweries revitalizing a section of a city and providing jobs, and the resulting domino effect that follows with other small businesses that work together to succeed as a result of the brewery.
Along with following Black Shirt Brewing Company on their journey to open in Colorado, the film intertwines plenty of footage and interviews with St. Louis brewery folk. 4 Hands, Urban Chestnut, Schlafly, The Civil Life, and Perennial are all featured and tell their story about coming to be in the town that only a few years ago was dominated by a behemoth.
http://stlhops.com/mx-theater-to-host-t ... -a-nation/
Crafting A Nation tells stories of local economies, where a brewery serves as a catalyst to a chain reaction which occurs from breweries revitalizing a section of a city and providing jobs, and the resulting domino effect that follows with other small businesses that work together to succeed as a result of the brewery.
Along with following Black Shirt Brewing Company on their journey to open in Colorado, the film intertwines plenty of footage and interviews with St. Louis brewery folk. 4 Hands, Urban Chestnut, Schlafly, The Civil Life, and Perennial are all featured and tell their story about coming to be in the town that only a few years ago was dominated by a behemoth.
http://stlhops.com/mx-theater-to-host-t ... -a-nation/