St. Charles Development Plans

StlAlex · Post7:46 PM - Jun 08#1012026-06-08T19:46+00:00

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stc ... -top-story

St. Charles County is considering a 6 month ban on new apartment construction in unincorporated areas.

There has only been 1 apartment development in an unincorporated part of St. Charles in the last 20 years.

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jbacott · Post2:43 PM - Jun 09#1022026-06-09T14:43+00:00

I don't typically get into labeling, but this might be the most Boomer quote I've ever read:

"Apartments are a necessary evil because they provide housing for our community's kids and grandkids," Elam said. The question, he said, is where apartments should be built, or if the county should push for other types of multi-family housing developments, including duplexes, condos and townhomes.

"We've got to have housing for our kids," he said. "If we don't get this figured out, then they will move away because they can't afford to live here, and there goes our county's future."

Basically apartments are inherently bad, but that's all the youngs can afford. I'm surprised he didn't drop in a note about how they need apartments to pay property tax since it's unfair for the olds to pay it.

Jallen26 · Post6:24 PM - Jun 09#1032026-06-09T18:24+00:00

jbacott wrote: ↑
2:43 PM - Jun 09
I don't typically get into labeling, but this might be the most Boomer quote I've ever read:

"Apartments are a necessary evil because they provide housing for our community's kids and grandkids," Elam said. The question, he said, is where apartments should be built, or if the county should push for other types of multi-family housing developments, including duplexes, condos and townhomes.

"We've got to have housing for our kids," he said. "If we don't get this figured out, then they will move away because they can't afford to live here, and there goes our county's future."

Basically apartments are inherently bad, but that's all the youngs can afford. I'm surprised he didn't drop in a note about how they need apartments to pay property tax since it's unfair for the olds to pay it.

My jaw dropped at that one as well, completely out of touch with reality.

The median age of renters in the US is 42. As housing becomes increasingly out of reach for a large segment of the middle-class, apartments serve a bigger role than ever.

StlAlex · Post5:15 PM - Jul 07#1042026-07-07T17:15+00:00

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... arles.html

O'Fallon may consider a 1 year ban on construction of housing with 5 or more units as soon as Thursday.

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whitherSTL · Post1:15 PM - Jul 15#1052026-07-15T13:15+00:00

This is the result of able-minded people who come together for the benefit of their constituents. They are not distracted by the welfare state politics that have handcuffed St. Louis county and city. They simply want to attract jobs that every citizen can apply for if they are willing to work.

This is a county that can afford to have a moratorium on data centers when they have achievements like this:

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stc ... -top-story

LocalGovSTL · Post1:26 PM - Jul 15#1062026-07-15T13:26+00:00

whitherSTL wrote: ↑
1:15 PM - Jul 15
This is the result of able-minded people who come together for the benefit of their constituents. They are not distracted by the welfare state politics that have handcuffed St. Louis county and city. They simply want to attract jobs that every citizen can apply for if they are willing to work.

This is a county that can afford to have a moratorium on data centers when they have achievements like this:

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stc ... -top-story

It’s been a good several years since I’ve seen the data, so it could have changed by now (or my memory may be a bit off), but I believe it was over 60% of manufacturing jobs in St. Charles County are held by people who don’t live in the county. Even fewer St. Charles County residents work in the big logistics centers in the county, such as Amazon.

whitherSTL · Post1:29 PM - Jul 15#1072026-07-15T13:29+00:00

LocalGovSTL wrote: ↑
1:26 PM - Jul 15
whitherSTL wrote: ↑
1:15 PM - Jul 15
This is the result of able-minded people who come together for the benefit of their constituents. They are not distracted by the welfare state politics that have handcuffed St. Louis county and city. They simply want to attract jobs that every citizen can apply for if they are willing to work.

This is a county that can afford to have a moratorium on data centers when they have achievements like this:

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stc ... -top-story
It’s been a good several years since I’ve seen the data, so it could have changed by now (or my memory may be a bit off), but I believe it was over 60% of manufacturing jobs in St. Charles County are held by people who don’t live in the county. Even fewer St. Charles County residents work in the big logistics centers in the county, such as Amazon.

I have no idea, but these are new jobs for everyone willing to work.

StlAlex · Post5:59 PM - Jul 15#1082026-07-15T17:59+00:00

Because we all know St. Charles has more jobs than St. Louis County and St. Louis City, for sure lol. And let's pretend tens of thousands of St. Charles residents, especially those who are high paid, do not drive across the river everyday to make their money

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Post6:11 PM - Jul 15#1092026-07-15T18:11+00:00

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... plant.html

Italian pasta maker Bertagni to purchase and renovate a 102,000 square foot facility formerly occupied by General Mills at 3850 Millstone Parkway in St. Charles City.

The total investment is valued at $33.2 million.

St. Charles is issuing $35 million in industrial revenue bonds and ~$4.5 million tax incentives, a 50% property tax break for 20 years and a sales tax break on new purchased equipment. The agreement calls for at least 70 new employees by 2029 and 150 by 2034.

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whitherSTL · Post7:54 PM - Jul 15#1102026-07-15T19:54+00:00

A huge win.

StlAlex · Post2:57 AM - Jul 16#1112026-07-16T02:57+00:00

whitherSTL wrote:A huge win.

Not as big as Deloitte adding 158 new jobs at their downtown office over the last 5 years with no tax incentives. But that gets almost no media coverage.

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Jallen26 · Post8:45 PM - 17 days ago#1122026-08-13T20:45+00:00

Rendering of the new City Center Complex Farmers Market and Food Hall.

I love the concept but can't help but wonder how many Food Halls our region can realistically support.

https://jemastl.com/st-charles-food-hal ... -approved/

StlAlex · Post10:27 PM - 17 days ago#1132026-08-13T22:27+00:00

Well you knew there was gonna be a suburban food hall soon as soon as the Foundry opened.

Hopefully Wash Ave's will be able to survive off of tourist traffic.

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STLinCHI · Post4:55 PM - 16 days ago#1142026-08-14T16:55+00:00

What's the difference between central food courts in malls decades ago and the food halls today? Multiple concepts under one roof with shared seating. It's the same thing rebranded.

SRQ2STL · Post6:12 PM - 16 days ago#1152026-08-14T18:12+00:00

STLinCHI wrote: ↑
4:55 PM - 16 days ago
What's the difference between central food courts in malls decades ago and the food halls today? Multiple concepts under one roof with shared seating. It's the same thing rebranded.

I'd say the cost of things in the food court. Food Halls are "lux" versions of food courts I wager. The Foundry is good. But yeah those price points...

Tim · Post6:58 PM - 16 days ago#1162026-08-14T18:58+00:00

Mall food courts always seemed to feature the same 10 chain restaurants (Sbarro anyone?), whereas food halls seem to feature more local brands and spinoffs.

bwcrow1s · Post3:16 AM - 11 days ago#1172026-08-20T03:16+00:00

Tim wrote: ↑
6:58 PM - 16 days ago
Mall food courts always seemed to feature the same 10 chain restaurants (Sbarro anyone?), whereas food halls seem to feature more local brands and spinoffs.

Can't wait for the tenth watered-down version of Peacemaker!

Jallen26 · Post2:03 PM - 2 days ago#1182026-08-28T14:03+00:00

Benton Homebuilders purchased 11 acres of land raised out of the flood plain from the City of St Charles at the Riverpointe Development.

I believe the original plan proposed by McBride for this site was townhomes, so curious to see how the new developer approaches this.

LocalGovSTL · Post3:20 PM - 2 days ago#1192026-08-28T15:20+00:00

They have a development on their website called Interstate Crossing listed as coming soon. Terrible name. They typically specialize in high end rental developments rather than for sale.

Jallen26 · Post5:40 PM - 2 days ago#1202026-08-28T17:40+00:00

LocalGovSTL wrote: ↑
3:20 PM - 2 days ago
They have a development on their website called Interstate Crossing listed as coming soon. Terrible name. They typically specialize in high end rental developments rather than for sale.

What an awful name. There has been such a focus on rentals in the past decade. I really wish that we would see more condo and townhome developments to provide a lower barrier to entry for homeownership.