Maybe we can start guessing where these plots of land are. Isn't there are part of the city's website, where you can see who owns each plot?
If the Walgreens they are referring to is the one across from the City Hospital, that is not really that interesting to me. I would like to see a Walgreens built up to the sidewalk somewhere East of Tucker between Washington and Pine.
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Definitely don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but I've heard that about a dozen of the "presold" units are ones the developers or investors have reserved. Not saying that's a bad thing, but it's a little deceiving if true, especially if they don't go through with the purchase and are just doing it to bump up the numbers until they get enough real buyers.
Anyone feel like putting $300K plus on an 864 square foot apartment?
I had to be pessimistic, but this building seems a little on the pricey side. I would love to live in a building like this, but I just can't fathom putting that much money into a small apartment.
I had to be pessimistic, but this building seems a little on the pricey side. I would love to live in a building like this, but I just can't fathom putting that much money into a small apartment.
April 12, 2007 --
Manhattan
CHINATOWN
$598,000
165 Park Row Renovated one-bedroom, one-bath co-op, 800 square feet, with stainless-steel kitchen with granite countertops, dining area, home-office alcove, renovated bath with Jacuzzi and balcony; Chatham Green building features 24-hour security, parking and garden. Maintenance $603, 46 percent tax-deductible. Asking price $625,000, on market two months.
GRAMERCY
$649,000
302 E. 19th St. One-bedroom, one-bath condo, 704 square feet, with dining area, renovated kitchen and open views; building features laundry, bike room and storage. Common charges $418, taxes $533.33. Asking price $649,000, on market four weeks.
GREENWICH VILLAGE
$670,000
39 E. 12th St. Renovated studio co-op, 700 square feet, with mezzanine bedroom; University Mews building features doorman and common roof deck. Maintenance $969, 50 percent tax-deductible. Asking price $699,000, on market 32 weeks.
LOWER EAST SIDE
$775,000
105 Norfolk St. One-bedroom, one-bath condo, 759 square feet, with dining area, bamboo floors and glass walls; new-construction Blue building features 24-hour doorman, roof terrace, bike room and refrigerated storage for grocery deliveries. Common charges $684, taxes $30. Asking price $775,000, on market two weeks.
TURTLE BAY
$840,000
310 E. 46th St. Prewar one-bedroom, 1 1/2-bath co-op, 1,000 square feet, with dining area, high ceilings and open East River and city views; Turtle Bay Towers building features 24-hour doorman, laundry, storage and live-in super. Maintenance $2,045, 57 percent tax-deductible. Asking price $825,000, on market three months.
UPPER WEST SIDE
$932,500
104 W. 70th St. Prewar one-bedroom, one-bath condo, 965 square feet, with windowed kitchen, window AC and N/S exposures; Walton building is pet-friendly and features full-time doorman and elevator. Common charges $693, taxes $600. Asking price $995,000, on market six months.
This is St. Louis, not New York.
When we've got a population density of around 20K per sq mile, then we can talk about the housing in STL and NY. Until then its a moot argument.
When we've got a population density of around 20K per sq mile, then we can talk about the housing in STL and NY. Until then its a moot argument.
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trent wrote:Anyone feel like putting $300K plus on an 864 square foot apartment?
I had to be pessimistic, but this building seems a little on the pricey side. I would love to live in a building like this, but I just can't fathom putting that much money into a small apartment.
A lot of other people can.
So.... how many presales? What was the initial deposit? Are these just speculators, or actual potential residents?
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On saturday's loft tour, I counted 31 units with a "hold" on them and 2 "sold" units.
did skyhouse do an ad on the cover of Ladue News? I see Trianon on the cover of the most recent issue. Skyhouse should be on it too. It's a MUCH better looking highrise in my opinion.
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^Trianon is pleasant, while Skyhouse is funky. Leave it to Clayton to stay pleasant, while Wash-Ave goes funky.
Will people pay 300k for 800 square feet? Dude, I am paying less than 500 for 850 square feet. Granted, it is in a four family in a completely different neighborhood, yet comparing Manhattan to St. Louis is ridiculous. We are supposed to have cheaper rent because we are not Manhattan. That is one of our advantages.
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Doug wrote:Will people pay 300k for 800 square feet? Dude, I am paying less than 500 for 850 square feet. Granted, it is in a four family in a completely different neighborhood, yet comparing Manhattan to St. Louis is ridiculous. We are supposed to have cheaper rent because we are not Manhattan. That is one of our advantages.
We are. That same place would likely be 2-3 times more expensive in NYC.
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^Right, if Wash-Ave is our SoHo, I'd hate to hear how much all new units similar to Skyhouse would actually be in SoHo.
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southslider wrote:^Trianon is pleasant, while Skyhouse is funky. Leave it to Clayton to stay pleasant, while Wash-Ave goes funky.
Exactly. And in that case, I guess I prefer funky.
I agree, 314, I would also prefer Skyhouse...hands down.
I wouldn't call Skyhouse funky. It really isn't funky at all IMO. (Looks like some urbanstl members aren't interested in architecture enough to find out what's going on in other cities (not intended as an insult...as many people aren't, and that's really not an issue with me unless we're talking architects and developers). Aqua and Fordham Spire in Chicago for example...now those are what I'd call funky).
The Trianon? Rather lackluster, although not unattractive. Safe, I would say, for Clayton.
I wouldn't call Skyhouse funky. It really isn't funky at all IMO. (Looks like some urbanstl members aren't interested in architecture enough to find out what's going on in other cities (not intended as an insult...as many people aren't, and that's really not an issue with me unless we're talking architects and developers). Aqua and Fordham Spire in Chicago for example...now those are what I'd call funky).
The Trianon? Rather lackluster, although not unattractive. Safe, I would say, for Clayton.
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Havent heard "Fordham Spire" in a while. I much prefer that name for sure
Yep...I guess the name just stuck with me...I actually forgot it had been renamed. But I agree, I think Fordham Spire sounds better than Chicago Spire.
Back to Skyhouse, hopefully this will spark better contemporary design in St. Louis, which we're in dire need of. There's too much nostalgic infill design in new condo construction, IMO, and frankly I'd rather lay that type of construction to rest. I'd like to see us go forward with some cutting edge or at least contemporary designs as so many other cities are doing. On the whole, I'd say Skyhouse isn't cutting edge, but for St. Louis it is, and it's a darn good start.
Back to Skyhouse, hopefully this will spark better contemporary design in St. Louis, which we're in dire need of. There's too much nostalgic infill design in new condo construction, IMO, and frankly I'd rather lay that type of construction to rest. I'd like to see us go forward with some cutting edge or at least contemporary designs as so many other cities are doing. On the whole, I'd say Skyhouse isn't cutting edge, but for St. Louis it is, and it's a darn good start.
The Fordham Spire is just one big phallic symbol while the SkyHouse is not.
I hope Skyhouse gets built ASAP. We need a new building that doesn't look like the others around it (see Clayton)
I hope Skyhouse gets built ASAP. We need a new building that doesn't look like the others around it (see Clayton)
I absolutely hope that there are enough people, at this point, willing to put $300K into an apartment that size.
But just a few blocks away, you can get 1400 square feet for just over $200K. Granted some people don't want the loft space...
I actually took up the side of SkyHouse the other night at work. Someone was saying that they couldn't believe the prices, when you can buy a huge house just 25 minutes from downtown for the same price. I told them that there are people who don't want the house 25 minutes away, they want to live where they can walk to every amenity they need, and not have to worry about a yard and maintenance. It takes all kinds.
But just a few blocks away, you can get 1400 square feet for just over $200K. Granted some people don't want the loft space...
I actually took up the side of SkyHouse the other night at work. Someone was saying that they couldn't believe the prices, when you can buy a huge house just 25 minutes from downtown for the same price. I told them that there are people who don't want the house 25 minutes away, they want to live where they can walk to every amenity they need, and not have to worry about a yard and maintenance. It takes all kinds.
"Urban" life is alien to a lot of people. I hope it sells. Working down here, I really don't want to leave. It is so beautiful.
I bought a new car, and I only want to buy a loft and sell it for a scooter.
I bought a new car, and I only want to buy a loft and sell it for a scooter.
TB1000 wrote:The Fordham Spire is just one big phallic symbol while the SkyHouse is not.
I hope Skyhouse gets built ASAP. We need a new building that doesn't look like the others around it (see Clayton)
I thought it looked more like something you could smoke.
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