Preservation Board Agenda & Policy

jstriebel · PostJul 31, 2014#1262014-07-31T00:35+00:00

urban_dilettante wrote:
imran wrote: 1. 4066 RUSSELL BVLD.Shaw Historic District :Convert service station to residence. (Shaw seems to be on a roll for adaptive reuse of gas stations )
huh… while i'm typically all-for this type of thing, this is a massive corner lot with a rather small building and a ginormous setback. it would be nice to see some new sidewalk-fronting construction on this site–maybe a couple of new homes or a mixed-use with corner storefront like the two buildings across the intersection.

also, all of those demolition appeals should absolutely be denied. each of those homes is in good condition and on a stable, well-maintained block. who are these people applying for demolition?

NextSTL reported on this today, and it looks great. And the set back isn't an issue as it's being split into a separate lot and prepared for development opportunities.

http://nextstl.com/2014/07/shaw-house/

PostJul 31, 2014#1272014-07-31T01:41+00:00

roger wyoming II wrote:^ I wonder if residential is the plan.

imran wrote:Next meeting tomorrow 7/28

PRELIMINARY REVIEWS

1. 4066 RUSSELL BVLD.Shaw Historic District :Convert service station to residence. (Shaw seems to be on a roll for adaptive reuse of gas stations )
I was disappointed to see that the old service station/car lot at the top of Morgan Ford (across from TGP) that was marketed as a bar/restaurant opportunity appears to be a car lot once again.

Interesting. When did this happen? I live really close and go by there all the time, but I hadn't noticed.

roger wyoming II · PostJul 31, 2014#1282014-07-31T02:10+00:00

^ within the past few days it looks like there have been cars added to the lot.... maybe just temp storage.

framer · PostJul 31, 2014#1292014-07-31T04:38+00:00

Love the Russell conversion! Good stuff.

imran · PostAug 15, 2014#1302014-08-15T00:37+00:00

Preliminary agenda is up for the meeting on 8/25 and so far there is one residential demo request
at 5860 Page Boulevard

PostAug 22, 2014#1312014-08-22T00:33+00:00

So the final agenda for 8/25 is up.
the previously listed demolition request is no longer there.

PRELIMINARY REVIEWS
2350 S GRAND BLVD ........... Compton Heights HD ............Construct 1-story commercial building

APPEALS OF DIRECTOR’S DENIAL
46 WASHINGTON TERRACE..... Central West End HD ............Install a vinyl fence.
4730-34 MCPHERSON ............. Central West End HD ............Install light fixtures
1845 NORTH MARKET ............. Clemens House HD ...................Demolish a house.

The new commercial building at 2350 S Grand looks like a typical suburban drive through restaurant. If I am reading the site plan correctly, there will be a skinny building on the north half of the lot and a large parking lot will take up prime real estate at the intersection.
Its replacing a decrepit 60s style commercial building but (sigh) when will we ever move beyond this obsession with prominent parking lots ? And three curb cuts to boot

urban_dilettante · PostAug 22, 2014#1322014-08-22T01:00+00:00

WHAT!?!? last i heard the owner was planning on putting up a mixed-use building there. i'm pretty sure it was posted on towergroveeast.org… maybe end of last year/early this year. can't quite recall when but i clearly remember reading about the plans because my friend used to own the adjacent house on Sydney and she was extremely happy when i told her about it.

ugh… i hope to god this new proposal is swiftly killed. that corner is way too valuable for a another goddamned parking lot.

imran · PostAug 22, 2014#1332014-08-22T01:06+00:00

I hope people in ward 8 speak up. Here's the link to e-mail Stephen Conway
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... en/ward-8/

And a NextStl write up would be helpful too ( nudge, wink etc)

roger wyoming II · PostAug 22, 2014#1342014-08-22T01:41+00:00

CRO recommends preliminary approval. Also demo for 1845 N Market... interesting read on that one.... basically b/c the streetblock has lost its historic character its okay for that one to go to.

PostAug 25, 2014#1352014-08-25T21:45+00:00

imran wrote:I hope people in ward 8 speak up. Here's the link to e-mail Stephen Conway
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... en/ward-8/

And a NextStl write up would be helpful too ( nudge, wink etc)

So a Starbucks is the proposal. I guess a few things could be worse, but I'm not a fan of that site plan for this spot.

Presbyterian · PostAug 25, 2014#1362014-08-25T22:05+00:00

I predict that--IF the preservation board added a requirement this Starbucks be built to the corner (eliminating the suburban setback)--

...then the owner would still build it. Business would be happy. Community would be happy. City would be better.

roger wyoming II · PostAug 25, 2014#1372014-08-25T23:41+00:00

^ I think so. Even better yet they should do something like the new Subway in Soulard with apartments up top.

imran · PostAug 26, 2014#1382014-08-26T00:18+00:00

The preservation board's approach is limited. They just make sure anything being built is not inconsistent with the historic district. Not much in the way of dictating urban form or best use of a site. Not long ago, they decided that a giant parking lot on Lindell was better than a multi-story mid-century building.

urban_dilettante · PostAug 26, 2014#1392014-08-26T00:24+00:00

i don't understand how, in a historic district characterized by buildings with little-to-no setback, the PB has no jurisdiction over setback.

imran · PostSep 11, 2014#1402014-09-11T20:32+00:00

Preliminary agenda is up for the next meeting on September 22

So far only one demo alert:

2205 LYNCH STREET (Benton Park)
Project Description: Demolish stone alley building and construct a residence

And, interestingly, listed in the Appeals to Denials section is the proposal to convert the ice house into apartments (2400-08 S0UTH 9TH STREET )

PostSep 22, 2014#1412014-09-22T23:41+00:00

FWIW, the demo request has been removed from today's final agenda.

PostOct 17, 2014#1422014-10-17T03:13+00:00

Next meeting October 27
Preliminary agenda

Preliminary reviews

4167 Mcree Avenue
Construct single family home ( UIC project)

4056 Russell Blvd.
Rehabilitate one-story commercial building.
Shaw Historic District Ward: 8
Owner: Mel Brandt (old ?workshop at Thurman and Russell)

2851 Gravois Avenue
Demolition and new construction.
Fox Park Historic District Ward: 6
Quik Trip Corporation, ( I could not tell from street view what is to be demolished)

634 South Broadway
Construct an addition with glass bridge.
Owner: Eugene Field House Foundation

Misc. appeals of denials

urban_dilettante · PostOct 17, 2014#1432014-10-17T03:21+00:00

^ according to Google 2851 is the location of the current QT. so hopefully they're just rebuilding on the current site.

imran · PostOct 17, 2014#1442014-10-17T13:14+00:00

Ah, Thanks. No worse then.

dbInSouthCity · PostOct 17, 2014#1452014-10-17T19:21+00:00

red has been closed off to traffic for a while now, i assume it will become part of the new site.

Something like this is going in...the may have to place it at a different spot then the current store

roger wyoming II · PostOct 17, 2014#1462014-10-17T20:11+00:00

imran wrote:Next meeting October 27
Preliminary agenda

Preliminary reviews

634 South Broadway
Construct an addition with glass bridge.
Owner: Eugene Field House Foundation

I will look forward to seeing what they have in mind.

jambo · PostOct 27, 2014#1472014-10-27T23:47+00:00

^^^From STLToday.com http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... witterfeed:

roger wyoming II · PostOct 28, 2014#1482014-10-28T01:43+00:00

^ Thanks. Part of me would like to see the expansion as a well-done replica of the row houses that used to be there but this should suffice.

imran · PostNov 15, 2014#1492014-11-15T04:20+00:00

Next meeting Nov 24

2205 LYNCH STREET
Demolish house and construct replacement residence .
Benton Park Historic District Ward: 9

1907 DODIER STREET
Demolish two-story brick building.
Murphy-Blair National Register District Ward: 5
Starlight Missionary Baptist Church

2413 S. 10TH STREET
Construct single-family house w/detached garage.
Soulard Historic District Ward: 7

3972 SHAW BOULEVARD
Construct school building.
Shaw Historic District Ward: 8
St. Margaret of Scotland School - Archdiocese of St. Louis

1720 CARROLL STREET
Construct single-family house.
Lafayette Square Historic District Ward: 7

4167 McREE AVENUE
Construct single-family house.
North I-44 Historic District Ward: 17
Botanical Heights Homes

NEW APPLICATION

4055 FLORA PLACE
Retain a retaining wall constructed

APPEALS OF DENIALS

1021-29 SOUTH GRAND AVENUE (they are appealing an apparent previous denial to demolish the building to the south of the Pevely. Hope the denial stands )
Demolish industrial building.
Preservation Review District Ward: 17
MCOD Investments LLC – Bill Rainen

3330 LEMP AVENUE
Replace slate roof.
Benton Park Historic District Ward: 9
Paradigm Homes LLC – Rich Coulter

2748 ACCOMAC STREET
Replace front door.
Fox Park Historic District Ward: 6

roger wyoming II · PostNov 15, 2014#1502014-11-15T13:39+00:00

^ yes, demo of the Missouri Belting Building should be denied. Those first two buildings (the Lynch Street one dates to 1885 and the Dodier Street one is possible even older) are both sited in the rear of the lot, which in general I think is kind of neat.

Also, I'm not sure who is behind the newer housing in the Old North around the Dodier Street property but its rather cool.... reminds me of some of the stuff that is being built in NOLA post-Katrina. (I'm not sure how to post a screen grab of google maps.)

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