I guarantee you if there was any way DeSales could rehab these properties without losing a huge amount of money, they would.
the final agenda is available
https://stlouis-mo.gov/government/depar ... y-2014.cfm
Desales prelim drawings look okay, nothing spectacular ofcourse
And a new mansion is coming to Lindell Blvd on the lot that was recently sold. check it out!
https://stlouis-mo.gov/government/depar ... y-2014.cfm
Desales prelim drawings look okay, nothing spectacular ofcourse
And a new mansion is coming to Lindell Blvd on the lot that was recently sold. check it out!
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I agree they look decent to nice, just like the other ones they've done in the area. If these were owner occupied, I'd call this a clear win. In this part of the city we have a low income renter glut and not as many owners. Every healthy neighborhoods need a balance and diversity of people and incomes...with this we get more subsidized rentals. But DeSales pays taxes though right, so that is all good for the schools, etc. It's not perfect, but okay. Thanks for posting this imran
You bet. Its just heart-breaking to see seemingly sound brick history torn down. I understand the rational yet its hard to swallow. The economic argument for demo has proven pretty costly for old St Louis.
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^Amen to that. It's tough and heart breaking indeed. Trust me when I say that if you speak out against this kind of thing, there is very little traction and the status quo'ers will shoot you down and close their ears and minds. We as humans are selfish and want quick fixes. Demo's/contemporary rebuilds are seen as quick fixes. We don't live long and want to see our neighborhoods improve. Most side with new construction vs. historical preservation. So it goes...
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imran wrote:the final agenda is available
https://stlouis-mo.gov/government/depar ... y-2014.cfm
Desales prelim drawings look okay, nothing spectacular ofcourse
And a new mansion is coming to Lindell Blvd on the lot that was recently sold. check it out!
nice to see more infill as well in McRee Town and Gas Light Square... I look forward to the day when its infilled all the way up to Delmar.
Next meeting this Monday 3/24
New Applications
A. 4321 MARYLAND AVE, Central West End HD .........................Construct single family . ( brick house with craftsman details between Newstead and Boyle)
B. 2125 CHEROKEE ST,Cherokee-Lemp HD............................Construct rear addition
C. 5016 ENRIGHT ,Mount Cabanne-Raymond Place..........Demolish two buildings
721 N. KINGSHIGHWAY National Register District
(this is the demo noticed on Enright and kingshighway. Apparently started without a permit or review. Will proudly herald in a Family Dollar to go with Aldi's across the street
)
APPEAL OF DENIAL
D. 816 ALLEN AVENUE ,Soulard Historic District .....................Replace windows with exhaust vents.
SPECIAL AGENDA ITEMS
E. Discussion of a Preservation Board Conflict of Interest Policy
New Applications
A. 4321 MARYLAND AVE, Central West End HD .........................Construct single family . ( brick house with craftsman details between Newstead and Boyle)
B. 2125 CHEROKEE ST,Cherokee-Lemp HD............................Construct rear addition
C. 5016 ENRIGHT ,Mount Cabanne-Raymond Place..........Demolish two buildings
721 N. KINGSHIGHWAY National Register District
(this is the demo noticed on Enright and kingshighway. Apparently started without a permit or review. Will proudly herald in a Family Dollar to go with Aldi's across the street
)APPEAL OF DENIAL
D. 816 ALLEN AVENUE ,Soulard Historic District .....................Replace windows with exhaust vents.
SPECIAL AGENDA ITEMS
E. Discussion of a Preservation Board Conflict of Interest Policy
Next meeting monday 4/28
Preliminary agenda as follows:-
PRELIMINARY REVIEWS
1315 DOLMAN ST : Construct a single-family dwelling.
Ward: 6
4100 & 4108 LINDELL BOULEVARD
Demolish 4108 and rehabilitate 4100 Lindell Blvd. (This is Lawrence Group's proposal for a bank and aparments)
Ward: 17
2021 RUTGER STREET
Construct a side porch.
Ward: 6
APPEALS OF DENIALS
1409 MONROE STREET
Demolish a two-story single family brick house.
Ward: 5
2416 N. NEWSTEAD AVENUE
Enclose window openings with concrete block.
Ward: 4
4049 BOTANICAL AVENUE
Remove cornice on front façade.
Ward: 8
2424 S. 11TH STREET
Construct a street facing carport.
Ward: 7
SPECIAL AGENDA ITEMS
Nominations to the National Register of Historic Places.
Bellefontaine Cemetery – 4947 W. Florissant Avenue
Cabanne Courtyard Apartment Bldg. – 5882 Cabanne
Woodward & Tiernan Printing Co. Bldg. – 1519 Tower Grove
General Electric Supply Corp. Bldg. – 2653 Locust Street
Dr. George Ashe Bronson Residence - 3201 Washington Ave.
will update if the final agenda has any significant changes.
Preliminary agenda as follows:-
PRELIMINARY REVIEWS
1315 DOLMAN ST : Construct a single-family dwelling.
Ward: 6
4100 & 4108 LINDELL BOULEVARD
Demolish 4108 and rehabilitate 4100 Lindell Blvd. (This is Lawrence Group's proposal for a bank and aparments)
Ward: 17
2021 RUTGER STREET
Construct a side porch.
Ward: 6
APPEALS OF DENIALS
1409 MONROE STREET
Demolish a two-story single family brick house.
Ward: 5
2416 N. NEWSTEAD AVENUE
Enclose window openings with concrete block.
Ward: 4
4049 BOTANICAL AVENUE
Remove cornice on front façade.
Ward: 8
2424 S. 11TH STREET
Construct a street facing carport.
Ward: 7
SPECIAL AGENDA ITEMS
Nominations to the National Register of Historic Places.
Bellefontaine Cemetery – 4947 W. Florissant Avenue
Cabanne Courtyard Apartment Bldg. – 5882 Cabanne
Woodward & Tiernan Printing Co. Bldg. – 1519 Tower Grove
General Electric Supply Corp. Bldg. – 2653 Locust Street
Dr. George Ashe Bronson Residence - 3201 Washington Ave.
will update if the final agenda has any significant changes.
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^ nice to see the infill keep on coming in Lafayette Square.... sure would have been nice for the neighborhood to have supported that Dolman warehouse conversion though. For the Lindell project, is Lawrence Group still seeking demo of the neighboring project?
Yes,
They would like to demolish 4108 and rehabilitate 4100 Lindell.
They would like to demolish 4108 and rehabilitate 4100 Lindell.
Just curious if anyone knows anything about the Woodward & Tiernan Printing Co. Bldg. – 1519 Tower Grove? http://goo.gl/xtR3g9
I assume that nominations to the National Register of Historic Places would be a preliminary step in seeking tax credits for rehab. This building was once rumored to be the future home of SLLIS, but I believe that fell through a couple years ago. This is a very large building and key connection between The Grove and McRee Town/BH. This could be a pretty big development.
I assume that nominations to the National Register of Historic Places would be a preliminary step in seeking tax credits for rehab. This building was once rumored to be the future home of SLLIS, but I believe that fell through a couple years ago. This is a very large building and key connection between The Grove and McRee Town/BH. This could be a pretty big development.
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^ thanks for posting... I've sometimes wondered if that might make sense for something mixed-use. With the working rail tracks right there it could pose some issues, but the building is pretty neat.
Also, anyone have any idea how much of the old Liggett factory buildings are in use across Vandeventer? What an amazing complex -- also on the Register -- I believe some but not all are in use. I'd love to see any that aren't turned into residential or maybe something like the Torpedo Factory arts studio space in Old Town Alexandria.
Also, anyone have any idea how much of the old Liggett factory buildings are in use across Vandeventer? What an amazing complex -- also on the Register -- I believe some but not all are in use. I'd love to see any that aren't turned into residential or maybe something like the Torpedo Factory arts studio space in Old Town Alexandria.
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Don't know details, but tax credit assumption is most likely. National Register application is here:bigreid74 wrote:Just curious if anyone knows anything about the Woodward & Tiernan Printing Co. Bldg. – 1519 Tower Grove? http://goo.gl/xtR3g9
I assume that nominations to the National Register of Historic Places would be a preliminary step in seeking tax credits for rehab. This building was once rumored to be the future home of SLLIS, but I believe that fell through a couple years ago. This is a very large building and key connection between The Grove and McRee Town/BH. This could be a pretty big development.
http://www.dnr.mo.gov/shpo/docs/moachp/5/Woodward.pdf
Final Agenda changed as follows:
New item
5010-32 GRAVOIS AVE (City Park).........Construct monument structures. This is to be the fountain by the Bosnian community as spoken about here previously
Side porch on Rutger has been deleted
Some changes to the appeals of denial list as well.
Incidentally. CRO does not support the demolition of 4108 Lindell for Parking. Lets see if the Board enforces the Form Based Code here which clearly does not support parking right off Lindell.
New item
5010-32 GRAVOIS AVE (City Park).........Construct monument structures. This is to be the fountain by the Bosnian community as spoken about here previously
Side porch on Rutger has been deleted
Some changes to the appeals of denial list as well.
Incidentally. CRO does not support the demolition of 4108 Lindell for Parking. Lets see if the Board enforces the Form Based Code here which clearly does not support parking right off Lindell.
Next meeting May 19th
Will post when the agenda is finalized but this item is noteworthy:
212 N. KINGSHIGHWAY BOULEVARD
Project Description: Master plan for retail storefronts on Maryland Plaza.
The Chase/Plaza getting ready to welcome more street retail !
Will post when the agenda is finalized but this item is noteworthy:
212 N. KINGSHIGHWAY BOULEVARD
Project Description: Master plan for retail storefronts on Maryland Plaza.
The Chase/Plaza getting ready to welcome more street retail !
Final agenda for today
5570 S. BROADWAY/ So. Broadway Bluffs : Construct new trail in 154 E. ELWOOD Landmark District City park.
212 N. KINGSHIGHWAY Central West End HD :Alterations to storefronts at the Park Plaza
701 RUSSELL Soulard Historic District . Construct new gas station
APPEALS OF DENIALS
1409 MONROE Murphy-Blair National : Demolish house
5277 WASHINGTON Central West End HD: Replace red slate roof with black slate
5570 S. BROADWAY/ So. Broadway Bluffs : Construct new trail in 154 E. ELWOOD Landmark District City park.
212 N. KINGSHIGHWAY Central West End HD :Alterations to storefronts at the Park Plaza
701 RUSSELL Soulard Historic District . Construct new gas station
APPEALS OF DENIALS
1409 MONROE Murphy-Blair National : Demolish house
5277 WASHINGTON Central West End HD: Replace red slate roof with black slate
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A new gas station at 701 Russell? Pathetic. This should be a hopping corner in out city.
To be fair, there is already a gas station at this site that is being replaced with a new one but in general I agree with you. A gas station pretty much kills the urban prospects of a location. Have yet to see a desirable/pedestrian intersection where there is a gas station. Anyone have examples to the contrary?
Next meeting monday June 23rd
Landmark designations
Tillie’s Corner – 1345-55 N. Garrison Avenue
New Age Federal Savings & Loan – 1401 N. Kingshighway Boulevard
Preliminary Reviews
1100 DOLMAN ,Lafayette Square.Construct a single family house
2205 LYNCH STREET .Benton Park .Demolish alley building and Construct a single family house
1720 CARROLL STREET .Lafayette Square.Construct a single family house
Appeals of Denials
3242 MISSOURI AVENUE.Erect chain link fence/porch roof
2835 SHENANDOAH ..Painted front masonry
816 WILMINGTON.Demolish a single-family house.
Landmark designations
Tillie’s Corner – 1345-55 N. Garrison Avenue
New Age Federal Savings & Loan – 1401 N. Kingshighway Boulevard
Preliminary Reviews
1100 DOLMAN ,Lafayette Square.Construct a single family house
2205 LYNCH STREET .Benton Park .Demolish alley building and Construct a single family house
1720 CARROLL STREET .Lafayette Square.Construct a single family house
Appeals of Denials
3242 MISSOURI AVENUE.Erect chain link fence/porch roof
2835 SHENANDOAH ..Painted front masonry
816 WILMINGTON.Demolish a single-family house.
Next meeting tomorrow 7/28
PRELIMINARY REVIEWS
1. 4066 RUSSELL BVLD.Shaw Historic District :Convert service station to residence. (Shaw seems to be on a roll for adaptive reuse of gas stations )
2. 4325-29 MANCHESTER & : Demolition for mixed use building. (Modern UIC project in the Grove)
4321 MANCHESTER Forest Park Southeast National Register District
APPEAL OF DENIALS
1. 6016 WASHINGTON. Construct a retaining wall.
2. 2225 CHIPPEWA . Demolish residence .
3. 816 WILMINGTON .Demolish residence.
4. 908F GEYER AVENUE . Replace front door.
5. 5280 WESTMINSTER.Construct outdoor kitchen in rear,
6 1918 LASALLE STREET. Install vinyl windows and siding.
7, 3300 LEMP AVENUE .Construct a roof top deck.
8, 3235 MISSOURI AVENUE . Install fence.
9. 4309 GIBSON AVENUE.Demolish residence.
SPECIAL AGENDA ITEMS
Nominations to the National Register of Historic Places
1. Stouffer’s Riverfront Inn – 200 South 4th Street.
2. Remington Rand Building -- 4100 Lindell Boulevard (This is The Lawrence group's demo/rehab project for bank and apartments)
PRELIMINARY REVIEWS
1. 4066 RUSSELL BVLD.Shaw Historic District :Convert service station to residence. (Shaw seems to be on a roll for adaptive reuse of gas stations )
2. 4325-29 MANCHESTER & : Demolition for mixed use building. (Modern UIC project in the Grove)
4321 MANCHESTER Forest Park Southeast National Register District
APPEAL OF DENIALS
1. 6016 WASHINGTON. Construct a retaining wall.
2. 2225 CHIPPEWA . Demolish residence .
3. 816 WILMINGTON .Demolish residence.
4. 908F GEYER AVENUE . Replace front door.
5. 5280 WESTMINSTER.Construct outdoor kitchen in rear,
6 1918 LASALLE STREET. Install vinyl windows and siding.
7, 3300 LEMP AVENUE .Construct a roof top deck.
8, 3235 MISSOURI AVENUE . Install fence.
9. 4309 GIBSON AVENUE.Demolish residence.
SPECIAL AGENDA ITEMS
Nominations to the National Register of Historic Places
1. Stouffer’s Riverfront Inn – 200 South 4th Street.
2. Remington Rand Building -- 4100 Lindell Boulevard (This is The Lawrence group's demo/rehab project for bank and apartments)
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^So someone is seeking historic tax credits to renovate the Top of the Riverfront tower of the Millennium Hotel, a.k.a. Stouffer's.
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^ I wonder if residential is the plan.
I was disappointed to see that the old service station/car lot at the top of Morgan Ford (across from TGP) that was marketed as a bar/restaurant opportunity appears to be a car lot once again.imran wrote:Next meeting tomorrow 7/28
PRELIMINARY REVIEWS
1. 4066 RUSSELL BVLD.Shaw Historic District :Convert service station to residence. (Shaw seems to be on a roll for adaptive reuse of gas stations )
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huh… while i'm typically all-for this type of thing, this is a massive corner lot with a rather small building and a ginormous setback. it would be nice to see some new sidewalk-fronting construction on this site–maybe a couple of new homes or a mixed-use with corner storefront like the two buildings across the intersection.imran wrote: 1. 4066 RUSSELL BVLD.Shaw Historic District :Convert service station to residence. (Shaw seems to be on a roll for adaptive reuse of gas stations )
also, all of those demolition appeals should absolutely be denied. each of those homes is in good condition and on a stable, well-maintained block. who are these people applying for demolition?
" who are these people applying for demolition?"
Their names are:
Y Abigail Willis,
Lewis Bernstein,
and Kevin Spencer
Ring any bells?
Their names are:
Y Abigail Willis,
Lewis Bernstein,
and Kevin Spencer
Ring any bells?