The job of the firemen is not to carry groceries to your apartment, if you need help with your groceries why don't you ask the owners to help you, they are the ones who created the problem. You need to understand the firefighters are here to cut the response time if there is a fire or serious injury and not to be porters. Next time, try knocking on Shahids door and ask him to carry your groceries, afterall he is also sitting in his A/C office cashing your rent check. You seem to be the only tenant that likes him and dislikes the fireman. Myself, I have no problem with the fireman being here in waiting in case there is a problemreddragon wrote:i stay here and and still no elevaters. i have severe asthma and others with bigger health probloms. the manager and owner at the end gets all they want but us resedent have to deal with this.i was going down from 12 and cme accross 2 elderly women that was caring bags an helped them out. on the way down we came accrss an elderly woman going up with groceries, the a firefighter was comin down and we asked if he could help her and he said "that is not my job and all of you are a liabilaty and just need to move out of here". so the questions we ask is if the firefighters are here to help but do not then why are hey here but most important, who is paying for them to sit around an talk on there phones, read the papper or go to room 308 in buld. 30 in the ac and chill, while others are wthout an ac and repares need to be made that are life treating.(mold in the appartments from water damage,laundry rooms have live power cords in water, plaster and ceiling tiles falling),Downtown2007 wrote:Hopefully this turns out to be a good thing.
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Red - We live in a free country and as such people can reside where they choose. It just stands to reason that if conditions are so bad, that you might look into other options for to improve your living situation. I believe there are a fair amount of affordable housing options in the city for you to choose from. One simply can't expect the government to run your life. At some point you must take responsibility for your condition.
It also seems a bit silly to blame Mayor Slay as he has worked to intercede via the courts on your behalf. As lamiaposta mentioned, the owner of the Plaza Apartments is directly responsible for the substandard living conditions you and the other tenants are experiencing.
I wish you the best.
It also seems a bit silly to blame Mayor Slay as he has worked to intercede via the courts on your behalf. As lamiaposta mentioned, the owner of the Plaza Apartments is directly responsible for the substandard living conditions you and the other tenants are experiencing.
I wish you the best.
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I understand that it is not the firefighters jobs to help an older man to carry his groceries to his car, but as an IT worker, you better believe I would've done it with a smile if they asked, unless the building was on fire, or in my case, the network was down. You would think as a civil servant they would have more of a "people person" personality, but I guess its like saying that about the police too, which is not often true, especially in larger metro departments.
^ It's hard to even gauge if this person is telling the truth or not. I mean, he's blaming Slay for all his problems and is willing to commit $4000 to defeat him? Something doesn't add up.
innov8ion wrote:^ It's hard to even gauge if this person is telling the truth or not. I mean, he's blaming Slay for all his problems and is willing to commit $4000 to defeat him? Something doesn't add up.
Same here.
Plus I got a headache from reading his/her post. I'm not trying to go all language/spelling/punctuation police, but jeez that hurt to read.
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innov8ion wrote:^ It's hard to even gauge if this person is telling the truth or not. I mean, he's blaming Slay for all his problems and is willing to commit $4000 to defeat him? Something doesn't add up.
I smell a troll.
I thought the same thing, so I PM'd an admin, and he claims that the IP address is unique, but still....
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Normally not but some individuals qaulify for rent subsidies through the normal welfare chanels. The majority of people who live here, have regular jobs, some students, a few retired, some hard working immigrants and for the most part just your everyday working person paying their own bills and want to live downtown as least expensive as possible. I know by our problems one might start thinking this is kind of a welfare complex but that is not the case. Some people have lived here over 20 years and I know of one that is retired from a very nice job dowtown that has lived here 45 years. Believe it or not, the units themself, at least mine and the ones I have seen or fairly decent, very sound proof and not bad for the money. It is just lately when you go outside your apartment that you realize how poorly maintained the property is and we won't even discuss the elevator problem. It definitely could be better here if the landlord would just take care of the small things, but just seems to not have a handle on it or just doesn't care. I am not sure which. This could really be a great place with just a little TLC. Hope that answers your question and gives you a little insight into the nature of the tenants.Bastiat wrote:Are units in the Plaza Square subsidized?
it seems that my words are taken wrong on my part ( I SAY I AM SORRY ) about the firefighters. when the firefighters first came here management stated that they were here to help(including carring things up up if they had medical problems) the tennets.for the record, may i ask, when did i say i expected them (the firefighters) to help me carry up my goceries? hey inno.. if you took it that i blam slay for all the problems her iam sorry. i did not say say he did it i just stated that he (slay) knows about it and appeared on tv. then has done nothing. (the court actions were not done by him or his office ). lami, do you get ot much? i only ask this because WE know where all the blame is. shailkh. and evey knows that no one is helping us. i take it that you will flee from this. but those that have made SAINT LOUIS ther home will not run and scatter .been here since 1970 . (that is his last name by the way)(his mothers name is rukaiyabanu shailkh, fathers name abdulhamid shaikh) (they own the compant that onwns plaza square and all the corporate rooms that are here , all the phones are in the mothers name.. so inno.. do you belive me now ( as all that know me i dont care what others think of me or say they just know i do what i say.) if you ask i can give you all the phone numbers to those apt.
There's a larger issue here about the state of affordable housing for the elderly in St. Louis. The situation is extremely volatile.
Why not use eminent domain against owners that break and trample the public trust? And now we learn that Sansone owns the high-rise mess in mid-town?
Why not use eminent domain against owners that break and trample the public trust? And now we learn that Sansone owns the high-rise mess in mid-town?
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Oh the irony in taking Sansones property through eminent domain. I would love to see one of their spokespersons comment on that one.
when the plaza square problem started everyone had something to say..but who of all that have posted live here? old news, the name of this sight is the same as the owners of building. (plaza square apts.)(urban) i know you know what i speak of)no one responded to the post i posted but i will give an update. one elevater is going in all the buildings except 10 plaza square,an for good reasons.funny thing i read about sanson being the bad company elswhere but when they ran plaza square things always got fixed and the crime was not here.
I agree it is a free country and we are free to live anywhere, but it takes money. I can not get out of my lease cheaply (it will cost two month's rent plus forfeiting my deposit). I am a student and on a very limited income. When I talked to the city lawyer representing the tenants, he said that it would be POSSIBLY to get out of the lease and POSSIBLY the landlord would not go after me. I cannot afford POSSILBY right now. Many people living here can not afford this as well.
Ok, let’s say I do get out of my lease – where do I go? I’ve looked for “affordable” housing downtown and in CWE and the cheapest one is $100 more a month than what I pay now AND it does not include all the utilities that are here (gas and heat are what the others do not include, but most places include water, sewer, and trash like here), so it is more than just $100 a month plus the cost of moving.. I do not have a car so living on the metrolink is important to me as well as being near the services available downtown (restaurants, grocers, dry cleaners, library, free wifi locations, and ymca).
I realize that I am getting what I pay for (common areas not being very clean, décor not being updated or maintained, management not being the best to deal with), but inside my apartment is nice and I have a balcony (my personal outdoor space in the city). Yes, the elevators should work. I am glad we have gotten the coverage that we have and that the Mayor stepped in. It is great the fire department is here for emergencies (it is too bad he didn’t help with the groceries but that is a common courtesy issue). Unfortunately when talking to the management about helping with up with groceries or laundry – they offer to send one of their overworked staff and who are suffering right along with us which I refused. (I would only accept the help it if was the owner himself – hehe.)
Downtown in inundated with lofts/condos/townhomes to purchase or very expensive. I think it is important to keep TRULY affordable apartments available. As the downtown gets more businesses and restaurants, it needs to offer a place for those employees who most likely will only earn minimum wage who can not afford to pay more than a third or a fourth of their monthly income on rent. Like to me, a $100 less a month is important.
Also, there are a large number of seniors living here many who have been here for more than 20 years - my neighbor being here for 36 years. She never wanted to have to move again. As us humans get older, change is much harder especially when you have that many years involved.
Lastly, the tenants do have a web site up, www.myplazasquare.com. We have had one meeting and rumors of another meeting scheduled. It is true that we are not as organized as we should be, but it is a start.
Ok, let’s say I do get out of my lease – where do I go? I’ve looked for “affordable” housing downtown and in CWE and the cheapest one is $100 more a month than what I pay now AND it does not include all the utilities that are here (gas and heat are what the others do not include, but most places include water, sewer, and trash like here), so it is more than just $100 a month plus the cost of moving.. I do not have a car so living on the metrolink is important to me as well as being near the services available downtown (restaurants, grocers, dry cleaners, library, free wifi locations, and ymca).
I realize that I am getting what I pay for (common areas not being very clean, décor not being updated or maintained, management not being the best to deal with), but inside my apartment is nice and I have a balcony (my personal outdoor space in the city). Yes, the elevators should work. I am glad we have gotten the coverage that we have and that the Mayor stepped in. It is great the fire department is here for emergencies (it is too bad he didn’t help with the groceries but that is a common courtesy issue). Unfortunately when talking to the management about helping with up with groceries or laundry – they offer to send one of their overworked staff and who are suffering right along with us which I refused. (I would only accept the help it if was the owner himself – hehe.)
Downtown in inundated with lofts/condos/townhomes to purchase or very expensive. I think it is important to keep TRULY affordable apartments available. As the downtown gets more businesses and restaurants, it needs to offer a place for those employees who most likely will only earn minimum wage who can not afford to pay more than a third or a fourth of their monthly income on rent. Like to me, a $100 less a month is important.
Also, there are a large number of seniors living here many who have been here for more than 20 years - my neighbor being here for 36 years. She never wanted to have to move again. As us humans get older, change is much harder especially when you have that many years involved.
Lastly, the tenants do have a web site up, www.myplazasquare.com. We have had one meeting and rumors of another meeting scheduled. It is true that we are not as organized as we should be, but it is a start.
Ok - sorry I know my last posting was long, but I forgot to mention that last month when the lawyer representing the tenants asked the judge if we could put our rent into escrow rather than paying the landlord, it was declined.
We still could put the rent into escrow, but with this ruling the landlord could charge us a late fee which is a little too steep for my budget.
There is another court date on August 30th, so we'll see what happens then.
We still could put the rent into escrow, but with this ruling the landlord could charge us a late fee which is a little too steep for my budget.
There is another court date on August 30th, so we'll see what happens then.
Your post wasn't too long. It was thorough and explained your rationale very well. It looks like you guys are being assertive in promoting your rights and options. That website you guys made is awesome because it lets people know the issues you're facing and what's being done.
Downtown is gentrifying but that doesn't mean there aren't more affordable options too, to include subsidized apartments. Isn't there a ton of affordable housing north of Washington Ave? Of course, "affordable" is subjective and thus different for everyone.
Downtown and the Central West End are pretty posh areas. If limiting yourself to those areas, that may be why you're having some problems finding something bargain-basement. If being near the Metrolink is a key criterion, there are lots of other areas to live in....
Anyway, it seems that many of you do enjoy living there, save for the elevator issues and various code violations. For your sake and the sake of other residents, perhaps you guys can figure out how to increase leverage against the owners? Like maybe a local investigative tv reporter can interview the owner and shame him into fixing the elevators and bringing the place into code.
I'm pulling for you..
Downtown is gentrifying but that doesn't mean there aren't more affordable options too, to include subsidized apartments. Isn't there a ton of affordable housing north of Washington Ave? Of course, "affordable" is subjective and thus different for everyone.
Downtown and the Central West End are pretty posh areas. If limiting yourself to those areas, that may be why you're having some problems finding something bargain-basement. If being near the Metrolink is a key criterion, there are lots of other areas to live in....
Anyway, it seems that many of you do enjoy living there, save for the elevator issues and various code violations. For your sake and the sake of other residents, perhaps you guys can figure out how to increase leverage against the owners? Like maybe a local investigative tv reporter can interview the owner and shame him into fixing the elevators and bringing the place into code.
I'm pulling for you..
Thanks for the post, kmhar825. You make some very good points. I think some of us tend to forget what it's like living on a more modest income.
I agree, there should be affordable options for people who want to live downtown. Students, service workers, etc. are all valuable parts of what make a city work. And everyone, no matter what their income level, deserves a clean, safe, and respectable place to live. Every landlord must be held responsible to provide at least those minimum standards.
I agree, there should be affordable options for people who want to live downtown. Students, service workers, etc. are all valuable parts of what make a city work. And everyone, no matter what their income level, deserves a clean, safe, and respectable place to live. Every landlord must be held responsible to provide at least those minimum standards.
fact. the ones in powre now whant to make saint louis a new york2. fact. saint louis is not new york and if you think making all down town loft/condos will not do it. fact, ther are more lofts/condos now than there are those that want to come here and can afford them.(not enough with money to pay for there children to stay here and those with it know saint louis is no.1 in crime, that is a fact. just goto compare crime rate on ANY search you have.)
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reddragon wrote:fact. the ones in powre now whant to make saint louis a new york2. fact. saint louis is not new york and if you think making all down town loft/condos will not do it. fact, ther are more lofts/condos now than there are those that want to come here and can afford them.(not enough with money to pay for there children to stay here and those with it know saint louis is no.1 in crime, that is a fact. just goto compare crime rate on ANY search you have.)
"loft condo's are not the answer to becoming NYC 2" Fact, but who said we wanna be like NYC?
"St. Louis is not NYC" True
"building all those lofts will not make us like NYC" true
"There are more lofts/condos now than those that want to come here and can afford them"
How do you know? Have you done the market research? Are you privy to more information that the wealthy developers whose job it is to know market conditions? I happen to completely disagree with you here reddragon.
".(not enough with money to pay for there children to stay here and those with it know saint louis is no.1 in crime, that is a fact. just goto compare crime rate on ANY search you have.)"
Ummm what? As discussed over and over and over and over, the Morgan Quinto study in which St. Louis is named the most dangerous city is complete RUBBISH. The guy has good intentions ($$$) but his list has some serious serious flaws. Let's wait and see what Francis and Co do to combat MQ this year.
I can't take you seriously until you clean up the spelling a bit and you stop saying things that just aren't true. I can hardly read your posts.
MattnSTL wrote:I can't take you seriously until you clean up the spelling a bit and you stop saying things that just aren't true. I can hardly read your posts.
All the posts from reddragon seem like they are coming from a troll.
bpe235 to answer you questions, the repot on conos/lofts, yes, i guess you can say i am privy to see theat report and read it. the term new york city2 , sorry but the 2 part i call it, no mention of the 2 part was brought up, but" making down town saint louis a place that generates alot of income in a small amount of time is good for the city an the resedents in the whole" the quote is to what i remember . yes at a meeting of develapers. now the crime rate report. i do not know much of this morgan person, we got our info from multi reports. if you want to start , go to bestplaces.net/crime . mattnstl , i sayed in the begging i am a bad speller, funny ,, others were able to understand, and as for the not true part, either i know moere than you do or you dont want to hear the truth. this part might be hard to take but some DO have more info than you and are still willing to learn and grow. by the way how was my spelling?
i am REALY sorry, i forgot to mention that there is supposed to be a meeting ant the centnary church on thursday at 6:30 pm about the class action lawsuit. just so everyone that comes knows, the cetnary church feeds the homless that day . i have coppies of the news letters that the mayer put out on that ,
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Does your mommy know you're playing with the computer?
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The Town Talk hotline must be down this week. These posts make my brain hurt.