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Yep, and that is why I edited it down.

to buckethead, i did not know that,, realy i did not know.. i will goto that link and read it.. thank you. Mattnstl, THANK YOU, ceneteral wanted proof of this artical so i paid to get the copy from the post dispatch online service and noticed the parts that are changed or excluded, i did not know about the policey here, i just wanted to give centeral what he/she asked for a couple times.. hey central, when i payed for the artical , (by the way it is free through the library) the artical was down loaded into " my computer" then an option came up to print, yes i did print. , when i paid the post dispatch for the artical that gave me the right to print as many copies as i want just as long as i don"t make a profit off the artical. in plain tearms soyou can understand,i can GIVE those copies away for FREE. so.. i gave you the TRUETH. now do want to still live up to your name or face the fact that ihe info you said never happened ? of course to do so whould mean you admit you were wrong, buckethead...you realy think i am the hypocrite? how? do you know the meaning of hypocrite?

update on plaza square, seems some testing on the fie alarms were done last week and the fire alarms went off and made some tennats go down the stairs because they tought there was a fire. after that a notice went up about the testing of the fire allarms. (some what late i think) i will post all names of the urban llc after i talk to my layer, but i can post , ths is public info. (white pages online) shaikh,saifullah 415 n tucker blvd saint louis mo. 631011129 314-621-2720, shaikh, rukaiyabanu 30 plaza square stl. 314-436-0923 314-588-7954 50 pla square , 314-436-2142, shaikh, jawed 2206 viewroyal dr. saint louis mo. 63131-1937, 314-821-9446.,

Central Scrutinizer,



It seems to me that you are going out of your way to not understand what reddragon is saying/trying to say in his posts. I admit deciphering his posts is challenging. But, I think I understand what he is trying to say...at least most of the time. For example, my translation of the last few lines of his Sep 21 post at 7:58AM would go like this....



I will post all names of the Urban LLC (limited liability corporation) after I talk to my lawyer. But, I can post this public information (from the white pages on line)..... This is followed by the names of several persons with the last name of Shaikh along with their phone numbers.

reddragon wrote:buckethead...you realy think i am the hypocrite? how? do you know the meaning of hypocrite?

Yes, I do. Do you?



You did something illegal while complaining about people breaking the law.

Hypocrite.



I do agree with you though reddragon. Plaza Square sounds like a hellhole and it should be razed and replaced with high-end condominiums with 24 hour security and doormen. I'm sure all the problems there would be a thing of a past then.

reddragon wrote:to buckethead, i did not know that,, realy i did not know.. i will goto that link and read it.. thank you. Mattnstl, THANK YOU, ceneteral wanted proof of this artical so i paid to get the copy from the post dispatch online service and noticed the parts that are changed or excluded, i did not know about the policey here, i just wanted to give centeral what he/she asked for a couple times.. hey central, when i payed for the artical , (by the way it is free through the library) the artical was down loaded into " my computer" then an option came up to print, yes i did print. , when i paid the post dispatch for the artical that gave me the right to print as many copies as i want just as long as i don"t make a profit off the artical. in plain tearms soyou can understand,i can GIVE those copies away for FREE. so.. i gave you the TRUETH. now do want to still live up to your name or face the fact that ihe info you said never happened ? of course to do so whould mean you admit you were wrong, buckethead...you realy think i am the hypocrite? how? do you know the meaning of hypocrite?

update on plaza square, seems some testing on the fie alarms were done last week and the fire alarms went off and made some tennats go down the stairs because they tought there was a fire. after that a notice went up about the testing of the fire allarms. (some what late i think) i will post all names of the urban llc after i talk to my layer, but i can post , ths is public info. (white pages online) shaikh,saifullah 415 n tucker blvd saint louis mo. 631011129 314-621-2720, shaikh, rukaiyabanu 30 plaza square stl. 314-436-0923 314-588-7954 50 pla square , 314-436-2142, shaikh, jawed 2206 viewroyal dr. saint louis mo. 63131-1937, 314-821-9446.,

I just did a real quick and informal count. Do you guys realize there's between 40 and 45 punctuation, spelling and major grammatical errors in just that post alone?

^ Well, it's probably not right to ban someone for those errors, but we always have the option to ignore them (while not ignoring the problems at Plaza Square ).

Why is this topic still alive? I haven't read anything noteworthy in 6 pages.



And I keep scanning over most of it.

buckethead, i did make the mistake of not reading the complete rules of this sight, for ths i do say I am sorry to the sight and the magement that over sees everything here. again I am sorry. as for the illegal part, do you mean me making copies of the artical or the link i gave where the mayor requested the money for development? ALL that info is free and open to the public. the info on the mayor can be got at city hall , or on line. as for the artical, yes i should not have done what i did, just at the time i needed to pass on news to someone that said it did not happen. in the United States the freedom of press is better than anywhere else and the job and duity of the press is to see that ALL Americans get and know the news without censureship or bios objectives. (laws do come into affect with the duplication of articals but me making copies for my personal use in which means GIVING copies away with no money gain , I can do by law,, ) TO centeral, I did not call you buckethead, man you still keep living up to your name . i did look into the making coppies, YES i can and YES i do have permission. ,, some how someway the subject got changed, I admit I know I kept replying and posting thing that were off the subject :plaza square" . that is why in my several last post i am trying to keep it going back to it, CENTERAL you asked a good question " what is the owners real intent", i do not know if you know this or not but the 2 other buildings that shailkh (that is the manager of plaza quare, but that is not his first name, it is his last name) still runs and they are worse off than plaza square. i would ask if you wanted those locations but I know you, you dont care or even want to know, (like you already did) shailkh WANTS to sell to those that want to make condos/lofts out of these buildings but becase of problems at hand (in the spot light to say) he can not.

Dwebe wrote

I just did a real quick and informal count. Do you guys realize there's between 40 and 45 punctuation, spelling and major grammatical errors in just that post alone?

been there, done that,

from a post way back on page 6.

my suggestions didnt seem to help.



It was fun

this is getting a bit funny now, keep the focus on my mispelling but the issues are not addreed (i know i spelled that wrong so that is 1 word misspelled, , lets keep track of this and not the issue at hand huh, that I find funny.) I said and got ALL the info and shaired (that 2) the info here but it is apparant(ithink thats 3) that some here posting REALY does not care about the tennats t plaza square. ....... hyprocrite..... seem fitting here,,,, now...! update on plaza square, seems tennats from building 40 and 50 are being moved to (or they chose to move else where) oter buildings, the reason has an many excuses as the manager has given for things being wrong and not his fault..one reasion i heard is not enough tennats worth heating the building ( funny, he usses this excuse when for the last 2 winters he only turnd the heat on when it got at or below zero))((and only when the gov. got involved, there are elderly and vets. that live here and goveremenet workersand city workers, so they are low income workers? ) no one aswered that,,,, hummmm.

^ Well, it seems to me that the owner's intent is to make conditions so bad that residents move out on their own or are assisted in doing so. Of course, this isn't nice but it seems effective. Looks like they want to sell the place, eh? Isn't this obvious?

^ yup - clearly the buildings were bought on speculation. Their value is in selling for conversion to condos/or complete rehab. This isn't uncommon, but it is unfair and unfortunate.

this is getting a bit funny now, keep the focus on my mispelling but the issues are not addreed (i know i spelled that wrong so that is 1 word misspelled, , lets keep track of this and not the issue at hand huh, that I find funny.)

It's not just that you're mispelling things. It's that words are mispelled so often and the whole thing is so sloppily written that I have no idea what you are even saying. What is "Addreed" ?? That doesn't even sound like a real word. This is not how discourse should work. No would should have to guess what your words mean. The fact that you recognize your mistakes does not make it any better. Please, if you know there is a mistake, correct it. I'm not trying to be a grammar cop, but when you are this careless, it is incredibly disrespectful to everyone on the forum. The reason everyone is discussing your mispelling might be because we would actually be interested in what you have to say and that we simply can't extract a tangible thought out of those scattered piles of letters.

Cmon didnt you ever do the thing in middle school where they only show you the first and last letter of the words in a sentence and you can understand it? Haha. He meant "addressed".



But on a more serious note, stop writing gibberish and people will be more apt to listen to what you have to say. Ive gotten in arguments with people about punctuation and it always comes to the fact that people type too fast and dont take the time to go back and correct themselves. HOWEVER, when you write like youre DRUNK, nobody will take you seriously. EVER. And if you arent drunk all the times that you post on this forum, then I would believe that youre just dumb and dont know what youre talking about.



[edit]: that was initially directed towards stlmike and then later to the reddragon.

nice try centeral,(you keep living up to your name, I never said plaza square is a hell hole. ) this will give you you what I said WOULD GIVE YOU ,, AGAIN. this is simple and easy,, type http:www.uli.org/contentgroups/events/conver ... ees_05.pdf . this link does not give the names of urban developers llc but a link to ALL her families, read the list, then do a check on them , (one by one, as i have done)

reddragon wrote:nice try centeral,(you keep living up to your name, I never said plaza square is a hell hole. ) this will give you you what I said WOULD GIVE YOU ,, AGAIN. this is simple and easy,, type http:www.uli.org/contentgroups/events/conver ... ees_05.pdf . this link does not give the names of urban developers llc but a link to ALL her families, read the list, then do a check on them , (one by one, as i have done)

I assume this is directed at me (if it isn't, tell us who is supposed to read it). I have no idea what this link is. It is the home page for ULI. There are no names. And even if there were, why on earth would I want to "do a check on them"? Is there something wrong with you?

We have decided to lock this thread for now. This conversation has run it's course, and is only repeating the same stuff over and over.



If there is news about Plaza Square in the future we will reopen the thread so that discussion on that may resume. If there is news about the buildings and you would like to make a post, please send a message to one of the mods or admins.

Just heard word about this at church. I figured a priest wouldn't be making it up, but I had to check.



Plaza Square owner files for bankruptcy

Mary Jo Feldstein

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

11/03/2007



"The owner of the beleaguered Plaza Square Apartments in downtown St. Louis filed for bankruptcy this week. "



In 2004, Urban Developers took out the $25 million loan with a variable interest rate, starting at 5 percent. It used some of the money to make improvements to the building, increasing occupancy rates to 50 percent from 30 percent. Then, the interest rate on the loan began to "steadily increase and consume all additional funds obtained through the increased occupancy levels," the filing said.



Around the same time, a homeless shelter opened nearby, raising security concerns about people congregating around the apartments, the filings said. Later, the state notified Urban Developers that the elevators in each building had "significant fire and safety brake system malfunctions."



Late last year, Urban Developers thought it had found a lender willing to refinance the loan before it matured in January 2007. But that financing fell through, and the company was forced to extend the original note to July, losing certain protections against higher interest rates.



"As interest rates climbed, Urban Developers stopped making payments and couldn't fund repairs to the elevators. They were shut off and tenants began to move out, the filing said."







Hmm.. I wonder what this means for the residents and for downtown St. Louis.

misty1711 wrote:Hmm.. I wonder what this means for the residents and for downtown St. Louis.

Someone has to be pretty insane to invest $25 million in that to begin with.



I wouldn't judge downtown St. Louis by the hideous buildings of Plaza Square Apartments. Let's just pretend that they don't exist. I hope that they don't paint them like the hideous Blu. There isn't a good picture of the exterior of Blu on their website: http://mybluspace.com/ There are better pictures of the neighboring buildings that have nothing to do with it. I wish that they would stop putting up those trashy signs promoting the place.



I'm sure the residents of Plaza Square Apartments will be happy to leave once their leases are up. Just read the comments here:



http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/MO ... ments.html

• "Some how the homeless get into apartments and live in them for awhile. I asked to have a deadbolt put on my door and they said no"
• "basement had standing sewerage, rats.. huge cockroaches kids slept with bandana's covering thier mouths, ears and noses."
• "there was a MURDER here"
• "You are better off living in the ghetto"
• "Don´t even go look"
• "A major headache"
• "a Horrible place with Horrible managment"
• "Not trustworthy--they WILL take your money!"

In case anyone is wondering what Plaza Square Apartments look like, here's a lovely picture: