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^ Yes, but these problems aren't inherent in the buildings, their size, style or location. In the right hands these buildings together could form quite a cool community - not to mention some residential density for any retail in Union Station . . .

in google type L.L.C.( i did put 3 l's in , sorry). i agree, lets not start this again. to keep to the subject, the management filed bankrupcy, now with the company that does not have to pay the bank(s) the loan(s) that was taken out and all others that they owe for all other services. I read the post's about the balconies and no one uses them. I have been here for more than 6 years and I always sit out on my balcony and see others that have chairs, bbg's (even although we are not supposed to have them) and other things like wind chims and flags. i think plaza square should stay a rented appartments because there are a lot ot city ,state and federal workers that live here. besides if they have to move then they will transfer to somewhere else and all that tax money and buesness will go elswhere.



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citywatcher wrote:I like that most of the units have balconies, but you NEVER see anyone out on them enjoying the views.



Seems odd that nobody uses them.



I dont think I can ever remember seeing residents on their balconies..



maybe for the fireworks



More residential buildings downtown need balconies, good selling points.

I rarely see anyone use the balcony on any apartment building in North American cities, especially tall buildings. We like our air conditioning and televisions. But, balconies are a good selling point and I really like them. I would love to see downtown filled with balconied buildings. Some of the Plaza Square buildings have stunning views.

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:OK, I googled "L.L.C." What is that supposed to tell us about Plaza Square?

You mean typing "LLC" into Google didn't bring you right to the ownership group that owns Plaza Square? They really need to perfect their algorythms.

tearing these buildings down just because of "bad experiences" there in the past seems pretty short-sighted. Just coming back from New Orleans I was amazed at how great the Superdome looked now, and in the months after Katrina people talked about wanting to raze the place and move on. These buildings in and of themselves aren't posessed or evil. If they can be rehabilitated they should be.

southsidepride wrote:tearing these buildings down just because of "bad experiences" there in the past seems pretty short-sighted. Just coming back from New Orleans I was amazed at how great the Superdome looked now, and in the months after Katrina people talked about wanting to raze the place and move on. These buildings in and of themselves aren't posessed or evil. If they can be rehabilitated they should be.

I guess one would say the same about the City Hospital? We're there any "bad experiences" in there...

southsidepride wrote:These buildings in and of themselves aren't posessed or evil.

That's not what I heard.

i like the comp. creation of plaza square , half way fair job. can not tell although, small figure on bottom left from harry potter or lord of the rings? up date. , no one here cares, realy, because you dont stay here but the HEAT IS ON., not realy surprising becausethe heat comes on when not realy needed but when it is 10 fh it never comes on. trueth is plaza square management put or should i say replaced everone frome building 40 and 50 because the boilers need fixin and gave those there only 30 days.(the law states 90) . the curent law suit will go under there bankrutcy but those that have held out can now file there own law suits and plaza square has only one ace card left to play.( 2 if you count the mayer, but that would be political suicide conserding all his funding tax payers money to projects that have not helped the tax paying citiazin of saint louis.).

reddragon wrote:trueth is plaza square management put or should i say replaced everone frome building 40 and 50 because the boilers need fixin and gave those there only 30 days.(the law states 90) .

Are you saying that the residents of two of the buildings had to leave because the boilers needed repair? Couldn't the residents stay during the repair?

resurrectus, yes, . the reason from plaza square magement, that excuse giving to all resedents .95 % of the resedents ther are being moved to the other buildings. others have decided to move elsewhere. there is one bad and one good point here. those that moved out do not have children because those with children moved out when the centnary church started feeding the homeless. the intent may have been good but place attracted pedafilers (this is spelled wrong sorry, meaning child molesters) so the families left. if any doubt about this just (try) drive by the centenary church between between 10 am - 5 pm cst. if you want to buy drugs or companionship for a little time , you can not go by there without that being offered. I am in the works of setting up my space and a couple others videos of everything going on . i will post the page he when it is set up, first videos will be of drug deals and those using drugs at the centenary church. (inside and outside)

reddragon wrote:if any doubt about this just (try) drive by the centenary church between between 10 am - 5 pm cst. if you want to buy drugs or companionship for a little time , you can not go by there without that being offered.

On their website http://www.centenarystl.org/history.htm, it states, "Currently we are transforming, with the opening of the Centenary Drop In Center, serving meals to the homeless community several days each week." It's a crappy website, and when I click on Cares or Staff, I get errors.



Are the hours between 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. the Centenary Drop In Center hours of operation?

reddragon wrote:I am in the works of setting up my space and a couple others videos of everything going on . i will post the page he when it is set up, first videos will be of drug deals and those using drugs at the centenary church. (inside and outside)

That would be great if you posted the videos on YouTube. I'm considering carrying my little digital camera around to film some of the stuff that goes on in Lucas Park for YouTube. Sometimes people deny that there is a problem until they see the pictures or videos.

reddragon wrote:I am in the works of setting up my space and a couple others videos of everything going on . i will post the page he when it is set up, first videos will be of drug deals and those using drugs at the centenary church. (inside and outside)

This doesn't sound very safe and will probably make you a target. You are obviously frustrated with the situation and perhaps even more frustrated with the other channels of placing these problems in the public light. Regardless...this may not be your best option...just my opinion though.

Maybe the issues surrounding working with certain populations are far, FAR, over the heads/abilities of a church? Dabbling with it only makes matters worse.

ChrisInDownTown wrote:

reddragon wrote:I am in the works of setting up my space and a couple others videos of everything going on . i will post the page he when it is set up, first videos will be of drug deals and those using drugs at the centenary church. (inside and outside)

This doesn't sound very safe and will probably make you a target. You are obviously frustrated with the situation and perhaps even more frustrated with the other channels of placing these problems in the public light. Regardless...this may not be your best option...just my opinion though.

Documenting the crimes that happen on inside the of church may be a bit dangerous, but I'm sure that he can document the crimes that happen on the outside secretly and safely from a distance.

Matt wrote:Maybe the issues surrounding working with certain populations are far, FAR, over the heads/abilities of a church? Dabbling with it only makes matters worse.

I agree. If a chuch, organization, or individual wants to help the homeless, then they should lend a hand at the new Horizon Club. When you invite the homeless, you invite the drug dealers too. Interfering with the drug deals that happen on your property could be hazardous to your health.

I frequently volunteer at the Centenary drop in shelter, from first hand experience I can confirm the church does not contain a cat house or opium den. There have been issues with guests bringing in drugs/alcohol however they are swiftly dealt with. Unfortunately that is one of the results of working with this population of people. The majority of this group have substance abuse or mental health issues, hence the noncontributing to society effect. Perhaps Reddragon should volunteer there, nothing like putting a face and story to an individual to dispel the myths and misinformed gossip he/she likes to spread around.

southcitygent wrote:Perhaps Reddragon should volunteer there, nothing like putting a face and story to an individual to dispel the myths and misinformed gossip he/she likes to spread around.

reddragon is in the process of making a video of the criminal activity, and seeing is believing.

How about instead of spending your energy secretly setting up a camera, go down to ground floor, walk around the block and talk to the pedophiles and drug dealers? Better yet take the camera with you and let them see you filming the illicit activity. Nothing cleans up an area like citizen intervention.

There are many ways to skin a cat. Maybe he feels more comfortable doing it in this manner. Perhaps you can talk with the pedophiles and drug dealers if you'd like

first thing, southcitygent1 I never sayed anything about putting secret cameras up. and as far as you a voulanteer ? the first payment from the city was $6,00 then $15,000 , that was giving in 2 days, (after approvel by the request of the mayor to the board of aldermans, approved of course, the room was empty except those that wanted funding for there cause and voted for the approvel and all that was there , there request was approved also.) oh besides , i thought the church is supposed to help all? so why does the ones in charge of this church keep letting (some) keep hainging around and harrissing people walking and even driving by?

resurrectus, i am working on this and do this ... i am also setting my web pages up for this.

this is not plaza topic , but it is in away, it has been said in the past that trouble in down town comes from the tennats from plaza square. (plaza square management is a piece of trash and the oners) so the TRUETH will become evedent. first thing is first. as for those that have give concern about having a camera.(in harms way to say) thank you but THIS will happen AND i HAVE NO REMORSE. trueth will bee seen by all.



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That pretty much sums it up perfectly.

Dweebe, you hit this nail squarely on the head.