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update on plaza square, management filed bankruptcy, now under the law if you live here he does not have to give you your deposite back so, tennats know this and will not pay rent because it takes 3 months to put some one out by law that means management has to file in court and ATTEND in court's for ALL these . chaching.

This is low and I would lose all my respect for you reddragon if you did this. Sounds like you are choosing the easy buck over what's right. Is that how you live your life? Are these the lessons you pass on to your children.?

bpe235 wrote:

reddragon wrote:update on plaza square, management filed bankruptcy, now under the law if you live here he does not have to give you your deposite back so, tennats know this and will not pay rent because it takes 3 months to put some one out by law that means management has to file in court and ATTEND in court's for ALL these . chaching.

This is low and I would lose all my respect for you reddragon if you did this. Sounds like you are choosing the easy buck over what's right. Is that how you live your life? Are these the lessons you pass on to your children.?

reddragon, just because the management isn't legally required to return your deposit doesn't mean that they aren't going to. You should keep in touch with another tenant whose lease expires before yours.



I'm sure that many units are eventually going to be completely trashed by angry tenants. That's just one more reason why investing in a Plaza Square Apts. renovation is a bad idea.

Resurrectus wrote:I'm sure that many units are eventually going to be completely trashed by angry tenants. That's just one more reason why investing in a Plaza Square Apts. renovation is a bad idea.

If you're just going to renovate it anyway, what difference does it make?

yikes.

DeBaliviere wrote:

Resurrectus wrote:I'm sure that many units are eventually going to be completely trashed by angry tenants. That's just one more reason why investing in a Plaza Square Apts. renovation is a bad idea.

If you're just going to renovate it anyway, what difference does it make?

More costly repairs to be made. Tons of garbage left behind to clean up.

Resurrectus wrote:More costly repairs to be made. Tons of garbage left behind to clean up.

I don't think that would scare off any legitimate developer, especially considering that the building could be purchased at a bargain basement price. Most of the buildings that are rehabbed these days aren't exactly pristine on the inside.

^ Right. Czech out pictures of the Alexa before rehab. Didn't look pretty: http://urbanstl.com/viewtopic.php?t=448 ... ight=alexa

I merged the new with the old. I figured I would go ahead and increase the confusion further.

^ From one mod to another, I think you made the right call. BTW, I think we need a "throwing in the towel" emoticon.



Whenever I'm in need of a laugh, I know I can always turn to the Plaza Square thread.

to bpe235, sorry if i gave the impression that i would do that, i am just passing on what other tennats are saying. i have this bad thing about typing exactly what i mean to say and what i exactly type. I talk to alot of my neighbors here and the convey to me a lot of info to say and i try to put all the info,questions,concerns and problems they want me to post here. for some reason's i get is they don't have the time or no internet connection., but the most reason i get is because of repucotion's fom plaza square managment. i keep telling all that ask me , so what if they do . just do not give up. if you want to stay here just make your voice heard you might not be alone as much as you think. the update on plaza square todate, every tennant got a letter about plaza square filing bankruptcy, now after this, if you do not live here you would not understand,.... a post was put up, nov. 28 there is a tennats breakfast appreciation day. ????? plaza square managment does not spend money for something like this (spending money on keeping the outside looking good is the most that they will spend, the guardner and all employees get free rent but that is all they will give or do.) so we will see what happings, since it is for tennats only we will see whom actualy shows up. (yes i will record this and post it on the right board . .funny although, the cat at centanery church has police showing up every now and then but when they leave the cat lets the rats play.,, wait for it,( working on the videos showing on B.B.C. news ... cha ching or should i say cha chung..$$ )

innov8ion wrote:^ Right. Czech out pictures of the Alexa before rehab. Didn't look pretty: http://urbanstl.com/viewtopic.php?t=448 ... ight=alexa

Excellent point. I can't wait to see after pictures of The Alexa.



Plaza Square Apartments is not going to be added to the National Register of Historic Places. The Alexa was a unique magnificent grand building when it was originally built, but the Plaza Square Apts. are cookie-cutter minimalist buildings.



I guess that if the units in Blu are sold, then a developer may be willing to take on more of those buildings. Perhaps they'll call them Yello, Wred, Peenk, and Perpl.

Are you hungry, Resurrectus? I think you may have to eat your words.



http://ecoabsence.blogspot.com/2007/08/ ... ed-on.html



Wednesday, August 01, 2007

Plaza Square Apartments Listed on National Register of Historic Places



From Landmarks Association of St. Louis:



The Plaza Square Apartments Historic District was listed in the National Register of Historic Places on July 12, 2007. Located between 15th, Olive, 17th and Chestnut Streets in downtown St. Louis, the district includes St. John the Apostle & Evangelist Catholic Church from 1860 and Centenary Methodist Church from 1870 as well as the signature high-rise apartments completed in 1961. The Plaza Square apartment complex, the cornerstone accomplishment of the city’s first Urban Renewal project, was designed by the newly formed Hellmuth, Obata & Kassabaum architectural firm in collaboration with Harris Armstrong—an acclaimed leader of the Modern Movement in the Midwest. Evenly divided into two different configurations with a total of 1,090 apartments, the six buildings utilized native limestone, brick, concrete and colorful enameled metal panels (most now painted tan) to create a sleek contemporary aesthetic enhanced by balconies, landscaped grounds and underground parking



Although the "skyscraper home in a garden" initially attracted urbanites of all ages, Plaza Square soon experienced increasing vacancy rates. In 1965, Building # 60 at the southeast corner of 17th and Olive Streets was sold to Bethesda General Hospital which converted it into the Town House retirement community. Now dubbed BLU CitySpaces by a new owner, Building #60 is being converted to condominiums utilizing historic rehab tax credits. Thanks to the National Register nomination prepared by Landmarks Association for that developer, the other five buildings (which have been subjected to repeated foreclosures) are also prime candidates for reinvestment.

innov8ion wrote:Are you hungry, Resurrectus? I think you may have to eat your words.



http://ecoabsence.blogspot.com/2007/08/ ... ed-on.html

What the!?! They may as well add the 7-Eleven to the National Register of Historic Places too.

ecoabsence.blogspot.com wrote:"Evenly divided into two different configurations with a total of 1,090 apartments, the six buildings utilized native limestone, brick, concrete and colorful enameled metal panels (most now painted tan) to create a sleek contemporary aesthetic enhanced by balconies, landscaped grounds and underground parking."

I wonder what the colorful enameled metal panels (most now painted tan) once looked like. Are these the same panels that are now painted blue on Blu? Those panels would look better if they were a metallic color.

reddragon wrote:my last post sayed the management of plaza square laeves the heat on weekend, that was wrong, spell checker was off then it was to say the heat is turned off on the weekends ,(management is always gone during the weekend or as he wants some to beleve) sorry about the misprint..hmmmmm

Oh, I see. I guess it has been off for awhile...

jlblues wrote:

reddragon wrote:my last post sayed the management of plaza square laeves the heat on weekend, that was wrong, spell checker was off then it was to say the heat is turned off on the weekends ,(management is always gone during the weekend or as he wants some to beleve) sorry about the misprint..hmmmmm

Oh, I see. I guess it has been off for awhile...

I nominate jlbues' post for Understatement of the Year.

innov8ion wrote:

jlblues wrote:

reddragon wrote:my last post sayed the management of plaza square laeves the heat on weekend, that was wrong, spell checker was off then it was to say the heat is turned off on the weekends ,(management is always gone during the weekend or as he wants some to beleve) sorry about the misprint..hmmmmm

Oh, I see. I guess it has been off for awhile...

I nominate jlbues' post for Understatement of the Year.

And I nominate this thread for the most messed up yet incredibly entertaining thread of the year. I think somebody mentioned this already, but this thread is like a train wreck. It really is horrible but I just can't seem to stop looking.

Suburban Lou pointed out in another topic that they were once different colors (pictures from 1960s below). Maybe having them different colors (like the levels of a parking garage) is a good idea after all so that you can tell which cookie-cutter Plaza Square Apts. building is yours. I'm sure that guests frequently go to the wrong building.

In all seriousness. Just under 1100 apartments in this building. Is it fully occupied? What was the rent in these units? Is there a portion on the renters who are "permanent" STL people or are they all more or less transitionary?



If some of these residents have the power to purchase lofts (though lending market is bad), then they should. I really do not know the demographics of the Plaza population, but certainly "some" people should be white collar workers (or higher paid blue collars). I am more concerned about 1K+ residents of DT being in limbo.

bsharmastl, i know i can answer part of your questions . your question is what was the rent, and about thos who are permanent or transitionary. rent here now by the outside advertisement says $395 but what i have heard for 3 years now is all those are occupied.I my self have been here for about 10 years but have lived is Saint Louis all my life (30 + years) .woman on my floor has benn here for 20 + years, she is retired then i kow of about 3 dozen (city,state or federal workers) that have been here at plaza square for about 15 years. )sorry, the average price range is about $500 - $1200, but those in the big range is workers live for free rent.this does not include the coarprate rooms, this i do not know how much is payed for them. what i heare from those that can afford a loft/condo is they will not buy, (there reasons are there ownmost reasons i have heard is why pay that amount (prices vary of course) then pay the other fees (just like paying rent) . the other thing is a loft/condo is not a place to raise a family.(the place does not have a home like atmosphere) .by the way, the websight is 1 day away, youtub and my space, 3-5 days,oh i almost forgot, to those that have read to first plaza square post, the mayor campain, now has $37.00 and those that have been with plaza square and moved have gave there word not to change there voting address.

Resurrectus wrote:More costly repairs to be made. Tons of garbage left behind to clean up.

By that logic, the list of buildings not worth rehabbing needs to include the Arcade, Chemical, Syndicate Trust, Dorsa, Emerson Electric, International Shoe...

ecoabsence wrote:

Resurrectus wrote:More costly repairs to be made. Tons of garbage left behind to clean up.

By that logic, the list of buildings not worth rehabbing needs to include the Arcade, Chemical, Syndicate Trust, Dorsa, Emerson Electric, International Shoe...

I was just saying that a landlord that pisses off the tenants is more likely to get his property trashed. I'm not saying that every trashed property deserves to be demolished. There are many properties that I would love to see rehabbed instead of demolished. The Arena was one. Bob Cassilly could have done wonders with it.

^what, you got a problem with Kriegers ??

southsidepride wrote:^what, you got a problem with Kriegers ??

Yes, but I bet Bob Cassily could do wonders with it.

The Arena may have been one of the few buildings I wouldn't let Cassily lay a hand on. Maybe everyone else missed the pic above, but I put this on par with tearing down the Garden in Boston or Ebbets Field - disgraceful.



Anyway, I was down at Market/22nd picking up a spare part for a washing machine (who knew we have a nationwide distributor of appliance parts right in the city - take THAT Lowes!) and I stopped to walk through the Plaza Square apartments. I think that anyone who advocated tearing these down is perpetuating the same thinking that brought down the Mill Creek Valley, the Century Building, out waterfront and nearly cost us Soulard and other "obsolete" neighborhoods. It's patently rediculous for someone to say that these buildings are no longer functional and should be replaced.