Come on man, you've seen the windows at moon, no way they're keeping them(not to mention in says ON THE WEBSITE that they are installing new energy efficient windows). And King bee has old everything as it is not one of the new rehab projects(I think it was redone in the 80's so there is a big differece between 80's windows and early 1900's windows). As for Bogen and Ely, If they have 50+ year old E Star rating zero windows I cannot belive that in good conscience that they would leave them in. Period.
Below is a picture of Ely's display unit. Look at those windows, those arent WW2 windows.
I have several friends in the University Lofts (1627 Washington), and all of the units that face Washington have their original windows. Something about the historic tax credits required that they save them.
New glass is often put into the original frmaes though. Historic credits do require either original frames or replicas built exactly like the originals. Meaning wood when it was wood, and metal when it was metal. Flexibility in materials would be ok with me, as long as the design was basically the same.
MistaC01 wrote:Come on man, you've seen the windows at moon, no way they're keeping them(not to mention in says ON THE WEBSITE that they are installing new energy efficient windows). And King bee has old everything as it is not one of the new rehab projects(I think it was redone in the 80's so there is a big differece between 80's windows and early 1900's windows). As for Bogen and Ely, If they have 50+ year old E Star rating zero windows I cannot belive that in good conscience that they would leave them in. Period.
You are correct, they are replacing all the windows at Moon. My point was that not all rehabs replace all windows. Now that I think about it, I think the deal is at Ely that they are keeping the original frames, just refinishing them and then putting new glass into them.
MattnSTL wrote:New glass is often put into the original frmaes though. Historic credits do require either original frames or replicas built exactly like the originals. Meaning wood when it was wood, and metal when it was metal. Flexibility in materials would be ok with me, as long as the design was basically the same.
Exactly, I know people at King Bee who have replaced the glass with double pane thermal glass and had all the window frams tightened and redone but the had to keep the original wood frames to keep the historical tax credits.
I'm actually an owner of Ely unit. I read this post, and thought I could provide some information.
Be careful about making judgements about what windows are located in the display units. The city ordinance to "not change the general facade of a city building" prohibits big changes to the general window frames. Moreover, alot of the display units are located on the first or second floor of the developments....which usually have higher ceilings than the rest of the floors.
In the Ely Walker case, the display unit is located on the second floor...which has 18 foot ceilings. The rest of the building has 14.5 foot ceilings...so the windows are drastically different. Still nice, but different.
The new windows are going in right now at Fashion Square, and they are completely differant from the originals. I don't know how they got around the Historic Code thing, but they did.
The new windows are going in right now at Fashion Square, and they are completely differant from the originals. I don't know how they got around the Historic Code thing, but they did.
Of course, the windows themself are actually all new.
The rule states that the developer can't change the general facade of the building...meaning the window frame itself (size, shape, layout). Every material can be brand new, but it must keep with the theme of the historic unit.
amattina wrote:Thanks! That helps a lot. I'm going to see it this weekend and we'll see where things go. My fiance and I are going to look at some other places first just to compare more lofts.
I like the idea too of it being off the main path because it is quieter, but close enough to walk to places.
We do have 2 cars and we don't want to park on the street or open lots. So, that's interesting about the extra spot.
Thanks again for the info!
Did you purchase a loft there?
So amattina, where did you end up purchasing?
I was over at Moon the other day and saw that some balconies have been delivered. They're not hung yet but must be getting somewhat close. And last time I was in the building you could really get a feel for how units and common spaces are shaping up. Building is going to look great!
Still can't believe that units are priced like $30 - $40 a SF lower than our two closest neighbors at The Ventana and Ely Walker. That's just all the better for the buyers here. Also noticed that the remaining available units are now listed on realtor.com and cbgundaker.com. Looks like buyers are getting a free one year gym membership to boot! Bet those last few units will take off in the next couple of months.
irocktheparty2000 wrote:Looks like buyers are getting a free one year gym membership to boot!
CRAP!!! I should have held out!
I don't think it is only for people reserving now. I think it is just an added perk for all buyers. Don't quote me on that but think you will be included.
irocktheparty2000 wrote:Looks like buyers are getting a free one year gym membership to boot!
CRAP!!! I should have held out!
I don't think it is only for people reserving now. I think it is just an added perk for all buyers. Don't quote me on that but think you will be included.
Typically, incentives are added toward the end of a sales cycle to sell the less desirable units/floor plans. I'd be surprised if Loftworks extended this to all buyers, but I've been wrong before (and I hope I am in this case). By the way, what gym (as Gold's has moved a fair distance)?
Urban Elitist wrote:
CRAP!!! I should have held out!
I don't think it is only for people reserving now. I think it is just an added perk for all buyers. Don't quote me on that but think you will be included.
Typically, incentives are added toward the end of a sales cycle to sell the less desirable units/floor plans. I'd be surprised if Loftworks extended this to all buyers, but I've been wrong before (and I hope I am in this case). By the way, what gym (as Gold's has moved a fair distance)?
I have confirmed that the gym membership will be extended to ALL buyers. It has nothing to do with less desirable units, they just wanted to do something kind of fun for the residents and since they didn't do a fitness room there like they did in Printer's, they probably thought this was a good way to go. To me it's great as I have been pondering where I will work out once I move in there. Plus with having a building open on all 4 sides and being just off the hustle and bustle, not sure if there really are any units that are "less desirable."
irocktheparty2000 wrote: not sure if there really are any units that are "less desirable."
Obviously there are less desirable units/floorplans, that's why they're still for sale.
Yes and no. What is less desirable to one might be more desirable to another. People usually think, for example, that the higher units are more desirable. I know people who would not live on the higher floors in multi-story buildings. They think lower floors are safer and if an elevator goes out they don't have to hike it up the stairs too far.
People think balconies are more desirable. Again, I know people who fear heights, have allergies, etc., that say they would not want a balcony.
And as for the remaining units. There could be a multitude of reasons why they are still on the market. Most likely because they just started selling the building like 7 months ago. And it's a building with no display, was bombed out, is a bit off the path and frankly, didn't look so good. And they are like 75% sold. Also some of those units may have been reserved but recently fell through.
I hear what you're sayin' and totally agree in some resects but all in all, just about every unit over there has something to offer. And mainly because it's a 4-sided building with decent views all around.
irocktheparty2000 wrote:I have confirmed that the gym membership will be extended to ALL buyers. It has nothing to do with less desirable units, they just wanted to do something kind of fun for the residents and since they didn't do a fitness room there like they did in Printer's, they probably thought this was a good way to go. To me it's great as I have been pondering where I will work out once I move in there. Plus with having a building open on all 4 sides and being just off the hustle and bustle, not sure if there really are any units that are "less desirable."
I do not know which gym it will be.
I too have reconfirmed this. Also, I found out thet they are leaning towards YMCA (EDIT: THIS IS NOT A FIRM DECISION!!!!) since it is only one and a half blocks away and Gold's has moved a nice little distance away(about 10 blocks, still walkble, but 1 1/2 blocks is better IMO). Also Gold's has been just a little shady lately about the whole locker room situation.
irocktheparty2000 wrote:I have confirmed that the gym membership will be extended to ALL buyers. It has nothing to do with less desirable units, they just wanted to do something kind of fun for the residents and since they didn't do a fitness room there like they did in Printer's, they probably thought this was a good way to go. To me it's great as I have been pondering where I will work out once I move in there. Plus with having a building open on all 4 sides and being just off the hustle and bustle, not sure if there really are any units that are "less desirable."
I do not know which gym it will be.
I too have reconfirmed this. Also, I found out thet they are leaning towards YMCA since it is only one and a half blocks away and Gold's has moved a nice little distance away(about 10 blocks, still walkble, but 1 1/2 blocks is better IMO). Also Gold's has been just a little shady lately about the whole locker room situation.
That would be awesome. I toured the YMCA last summer and man, that is a nice facitlity. Way more stuff to do there compared to Gold's. Hope they go with the Y!
More good news, apparently windows are going in on the first floor right now as I am typing this message. I think once all windows are in they will tuckpoint and sandblast. Anyone know if that's how these things are usually done?
Urban Elitist wrote:More good news, apparently windows are going in on the first floor right now as I am typing this message. I think once all windows are in they will tuckpoint and sandblast. Anyone know if that's how these things are usually done?
I believe you sand blast and tuck point before windows go in. The exterior brick looks to be in good shape, so perhaps they'll get by with a good acid wash. Do you know if they're going to improve on the exterior concrete/asphalt surrounding the building (including the sidewalks out front)?
Only thing I know for fact that I can remember off hand is that that are repaving the entire sidewalk surrounding the building(concrete) and repaving the allyway behind it(asphalt). Then that are planing some trees and stuff in the sidewalk, some basic "streetscaping" basically. I think that answers your question?
Yeah apparently around 9 this morning they were removing some windows on the side of the bldg facing 17th. I'm assuming by the end of the day there will be new windows in.
Here are some pics of the new windows from two days ago. Not only are some of the first floor windows installed in these pictures, it looks as though a few second floor windows are also installed as well. I would be willing to wager that the windows on the second floor are those of the display unit, seeing as they are shooting for a late March to mid April opening for the display.
First floor windows are likely going in to stay on schedule for current first floor move-ins. They are installing the windows at a pretty darn good pace as can be seen in the pics from early in the day where only one window was installed(first floor), and later on that night a few more can be seen installed on the first floor.
Also pictures of the cut-outs for the balconies can be seen, as well as the balconies themselves.
This project is coming along rather nicely. Once the brick is cleaned up and all of the windows are in, this building is going to be a real gem. As soon as I can get my hands on some indoor pics, I'll try to post those as well. BTW, these are thumbnails, so click if you want to see a full size image. Pics have been web optimized, so you won't have to worry about long load times.
