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Good stuff!

Midtown Alley seems to have stalled out a bit.

^True. It's recent progress, if any, stacks up pretty poorly with The Grove and Cherokee.

^Yep. Whether IKEA, Cortex, Standard, West Pine Lofts, the current West Pine project, or the new SLU dorms, everything seems to be happening around the south and west side of SLU campus.

^ I think it makes sense in terms of a jobs context with CORTEX/BJC/Wash U/StlCoP, etc. on top of Ikea, etc. and so on that you see the development gains you got for CWE/immediate area where as Mid Town has to also compete against Clayton CBD and Downtown/Wash Ave. Not too mention the fact that both Clayton CBD and Downtown/Wash Ave have great transit access to the huge CWE job node with metrolink stations in the heart of all that mess, even more so with a new Boyle Ave Station.

I see another big push with a few big announcements out of CORTEX and especially if Wexford can get the US Metals site rehab creating the spill over effect for mid-town needs. A big reason that you got Bull Moose and Lawrence anchoring a development that inlucdes inflill which is the next big step for Mid-town. It will certainly help if Grand Center can get the structured parking in place to promote further inflill, location

West Downtown, I really don't think you will see gains in the foreseeable future unless NGA picks the city for its new location and or somehow someway a signature tower/anchor tenant at the west end of Gateway Mall with a rebuilt 22nd street interchange is built. In the meantime, just too much downtown building stock empty and not enough organic growth for everything to happen everywhere.

dredger wrote:not enough organic growth for everything to happen everywhere.

That's a good way to put it.

dredger wrote:It will certainly help if Grand Center can get the structured parking in place to promote further infill

This is probably a discussion for a different thread, but is there any evidence that structured parking has succeeded in promoting in-fill in St. Louis? The single example that I can think of - citywide really - is OPOP Tower. Other than that, I can't think of a single new construction project that relied on or was facilitated by an existing garage.

Some recent projects near or right next to structured parking have incorporated their own parking solutions either by choice or the demands of the neighborhood. I'm thinking of Loop Lofts, Lindell Opus, 212 Meramec.

I don't see a Midtown garage causing renters, retailers, developers, or just about anyone to think "Now that there's a garage I'd like to live in, invest in, open a business in, dine in, spend time in, Midtown. Come to think of it, parking is the very least of Midtown's problems.

Structured parking has been built to support redevelopment of existing buildings (Continental Life, Terra Cotta, Missouri Pacific, CityView, Marquette, Old Post Office, Cupples Station), but I don't think it's ever facilitated or generated in-fill by an unrelated third-party (except for OPOP Tower). Perhaps the well-placed/thought out garage between Maryland, Brentwood & Forsyth in Clayton has?

^ I guess I'm angling at a couple things.

First, the fact that the St. Louis region jobs are very much dispersed from smaller job nodes to the multitude of office parks to corporate campuses and that a lot of these development still rely on providing a means for tenants to park their vehicle. The good and bad of that thought is a discussion in itself but I believe it is still a reality for most of the developments and how you make the numbers work, pencil out.

The other fact is that you might have plenty of surface parking in Grand Center but my bet is that the Foxx Theater, St. Louis Symphony very much wants to make sure those spaces are available for evening performances which would be the most likely time new tenants to the area would want spaces also. So in my thought, a well planned structured parking is something that would work and is possibly needed for Grand Center to keep going forward if you want both a large, well used arts/performance presence as well as a vibrant full time community/large residential presence

I believe the parking garage in the CWE with the library on the ground level is an example of smart planning. Much of the continued redevelopment along Maryland Plaza would have been difficult to sustain without it.

Not the Double Apple, is it?! That place is (was) awesome! I once downed a whole fishbowl there by my lonesome. The tender was a sweet gal. The owner was a little sour, but who's to blame? The place was practically deserted, while the rest of the alley (The Fountain et al, sans Brinco's-these places so often change so fast), was jumpin'.

roger wyoming II wrote:Dave Bailey purchased a building with a couple storefronts on Olive across from Pappy's -- including the one that used to house the pizza place. (3131-3137 Olive) Don't know his plans for his expanding empire though.

The Good Pie?

Has it been vacant since they left for the loop?

The Fountain on Locust posted this on Twitter.

Fountain On Locust
‏@Fountain_Locust
WOW! This is what our building used to look like! So cool! #FBF

Here's how it looked prior to rehab:

Growing tech company Sherpa moved to 3030 Locust from UCity:

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... user-share

Sweet


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Wasn't there a rumor Dave Bailey bought that building?

Another Bailey's establishment, this time in Midtown at 3135 Olive. Looks really good.

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/foodblo ... to-midtown

Biz Journals reporting a new $55 million dollar mid town development. Anyone with the skinny on it. Behind pay wall.

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... dtown.html

A boutique hotel, Boxyard container center and apartment facility are part of the mixed-use plan.

Midtown/Downtown west has been slowly evolving for the past decade - This feels like to push it needs to move it into a real active neighborhood

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 46168.html