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roger wyoming II wrote:Compare and contrast...

Saint Louis
http://globalflare.com/this-stunning-vi ... move-here/

Nashville
http://globalflare.com/this-stunning-vi ... move-here/

Where would you rather move to?

People don't live in comparison charts, they live in houses, neighborhoods, metropolitan areas, and in relationships with people in those places. These comparisons served the interests of realtors, local government politicos, and certain business, but people's decisions about where to live aren't as simple as a check list.

Nashville certainly has the hottest buzz in the country but there's no way I would move there over STL. We have so much more to offer: architecture, different neighborhoods, more international food, better sports teams, more liberal, better black music (yes, they are the country music capital and now rock...), overall history being ruled by the Spanish, French, English, large MSA GDP, and housing stock.
Where we fall behind: right to work state, music industry, no income tax. Nashville certainly has the buzz I wish STL had. I love that our startup scene is on fire here though. We need to keep getting the word out! Where else can you win $50,000 for free, with no strings attached for a startup in the US?!

Honestly, I just think STL is so much cooler when viewing those two videos and I really tried to have an open mind and that doesn't mean I'm basing my opinion soley on a few minute video of each...

STL!

National Geographic had a nice series on Detroit
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/takin ... troit.html

Obviously it has a long way to go, even in its Greater Downtown, but they have some impressive things going on. This mixed-use announcement was just from yesterday:

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20 ... -this-year

(Brush Park is similar to the area surrounding Pruitt-Igoe but especially if the latter were located more in Midtown as opposed to Near North.)

Why so much Detroit content RW2?

The missing piece: In St Louis, the institutional motivation was revenue. Was that true in Miami? The story does not say.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the- ... 1689975171

St. Louis has the coolest city flag. I wish more people in STL county would fly it as well.

Freakin love our flag

jcity wrote:St. Louis has the coolest city flag. I wish more people in STL county would fly it as well.

I do!

I can think of 3-4 other houses in my neighborhood that do as well. You definitely see more in the WG/Kirkwood area than in other parts of the county.

debaliviere wrote:

jcity wrote:St. Louis has the coolest city flag. I wish more people in STL county would fly it as well.

I do!

I can think of 3-4 other houses in my neighborhood that do as well. You definitely see more in the WG/Kirkwood area than in other parts of the county.

I notice that too dose any one know why that is?

Good snapshot on Atlanta from a Wells Fargo economist.....

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real ... dd-up.html

While it once again has 90's era jobs boom, the type of jobs and especially development patterns have changed.... job growth increasingly is being fueled by the tech sector and there is a lot more interest in moving back to the city and even the suburbs are becoming more mixed-use and walkable in nature. And there is a lot more discipline in the office market, with spec buildings becoming rare.

The economist also expects more millennials to form families and move to homeownership as their average age increases but also believes that even most of these people will desire to stay in or near the city.

True_dope wrote:

debaliviere wrote:

jcity wrote:St. Louis has the coolest city flag. I wish more people in STL county would fly it as well.

I do!

I can think of 3-4 other houses in my neighborhood that do as well. You definitely see more in the WG/Kirkwood area than in other parts of the county.

I notice that too dose any one know why that is?

I've always thought of Webster/Kirkwood as the more "liberal", "artsy fartsy" of the suburbs, with a lot of people who live there spending their leisure time in the city. I know I grew up in Kirkwood, but my folks would take us to the city all the time for doing whatever (concerts, seeing art, just walking around). This was also true of other families we hung out with in the area. Appropriately enough, the same story is now true of myself and my kids. Live in Kirkwood, spend lots of time in the city. If my wife and I had the money to afford private schooling and a house, we probably would have stayed in the city. Instead, we're the old story of City -> Kirkwood, basically for the the schools.

Is it me or is St. Louis about a million times cooler than cities like Nashville, Austin, Charlotte, Denver, Portland, etc. I love our city's cool, gritty style. Endless cool neighborhoods of varying architecture. I'd argue we have more different styles than even Chicago. From Lafayette Square to Soulard, CWE, Cherokee St, Tower Grove, STL Hills, Cabanne, Old North, Clayton, O'Fallon Park, U City, etc... I could obviously keep going on.. But this city just seems so must more urban and historic than these "pop-up cities". This city was historically ruled by several different countries. Our streets downtown used to be French, for example. The parks here are vastly cooler than anything in those POC's. The diversity here is a strong point. I know those cities have all the buzz right now, but I think it's St. Louis that actually is the cool, edgy city. Not suburban-esque, all white, somewhat bland cities such as those. and why do the "hot cities" list include the lease diverse cities? what does that say about us nationally? Can't Baltimore, STL, Cleveland, Detroit be on the "cool" lists. When STL gets thrown on the "bad or dangerous" city lists, is it veiled racism or is it me? St. Louis is just so much cooler!