urbanSTL

The loss limits are ridiculous. Now would be a great time to dump them.

Though I feel bad for people who lose their all in casino's, they should have a right to do so.

Growing up I always heard casinos and the lottery referred to as the "idiot tax."

trent wrote:What the area really needs is competing casinos. The problem with St. Louis is that it has several casinos, and they are all spread out around the metro area. If we had 3-4 casinos in one area, that would help to create more of a district, as well as create a destination and competition.

The closet thing we have/will have are the Casino Queen and Lumiere.... water taxies and having THEM pay to decorate Eads Bridge with lights could make an awesome sight... add another one or two casinos right near by (like just north of the MLK bridge on the IL side and one just north of Lumiere on the MO side)... we have a mini "strip" in the river.... To begin to compete with Vegas/Reno/Atlantic City you need a true destination. This is what we should work for... get Steve Wynn to build it and as they say "they will come".

you know that IS a great idea. Open up another casino north of Pinnacle and another one on the East Side .... Light up the whole area. It really could be an attraction.



also - how about this - how about letting smaller venues on the landing offer gaming? I could see small poker bars. Gaming machines in the current bars - would be really cool.

^ Of course they would have to "float" the machines in kiddie pools. My only question is weather only the machine would have to be floating or does the gamer also need to float?

markofucity wrote:you know that IS a great idea. Open up another casino north of Pinnacle and another one on the East Side .... Light up the whole area. It really could be an attraction.



also - how about this - how about letting smaller venues on the landing offer gaming? I could see small poker bars. Gaming machines in the current bars - would be really cool.

I also think the Landing should allow the carrying in/out of drinks of bars: much like Beale Street or New Orleans. But just the area bordered by 4th/Biddle/LKS and Washington Ave.

I agree!

you're right....and maybe there can be a clothing optional section of the landing also.

have you been to the landing recently. Trust me - you don;t want that

now that is funny - thanks.

tbspqr wrote:

trent wrote:What the area really needs is competing casinos. The problem with St. Louis is that it has several casinos, and they are all spread out around the metro area. If we had 3-4 casinos in one area, that would help to create more of a district, as well as create a destination and competition.

The closet thing we have/will have are the Casino Queen and Lumiere.... water taxies and having THEM pay to decorate Eads Bridge with lights could make an awesome sight... add another one or two casinos right near by (like just north of the MLK bridge on the IL side and one just north of Lumiere on the MO side)... we have a mini "strip" in the river.... To begin to compete with Vegas/Reno/Atlantic City you need a true destination. This is what we should work for... get Steve Wynn to build it and as they say "they will come".

And add a small exclusive casino boat that travels from Downtown Casinos to St. Charles / Earth City Casinos via the confluence.

markofucity wrote:also - how about this - how about letting smaller venues on the landing offer gaming? I could see small poker bars. Gaming machines in the current bars - would be really cool.

Unfortunately, small-scale casinos don't seem to work. They tried this in Central City, Colorado (an old gold-rush era town an hour outside of Denver). I don't know how they're doing now, but when I went several years ago, the casinos were really struggling.

^^ I think the mid sized to large casinos (that we already have) are good -- and if we could get some "theme" into ours like the mecca cities do -- that would be cool... an old west themed one (cowboys and Indians) or a 1950s jet/space feel to one... ya know – something unique.... I could see the landing being a "gaming district" where people (adults) can carry drinks, gamble in the bars, and everything is open 24/7.... maybe even some ‘shows’ (adult and not). If they matched this on the east side... 2 "themed" casinos on each side plus the landing... it would be at or nearly at a national destination... but you gotta have the awesome water taxis and the bridges (MLK and especially Eads) illuminated in a classy but very noticeable manner (think Fremont Street Experience on water). Obvious benefits would include tax revenue that the city can use how it pleases (schools, luring development, North South Metrolink line, taking away the earnings tax etc).

yeah I could see it working too .... and the reason why is that I wouldn't the bars on the landing to turn into "little casinos" .. they could keep their current business model and just add a nightly poker tournament or a poker room. Another place could have craps. Add gambling like one would add a pinball machine. Don't make it the focus. I could see places doing really well b offering blackjack in a small upper room or poker in a small upper room.

I was past the casino/landing yesterday and it was very good to see the large entrance to the casino oriented towards the landing. Now if we could get some new buildings to complete the streetfronts on the Landing it would be a real district. The casino certainly could have turned its back on the area, but I'd say given the highways/bridges/etc. that they've done a good job.

If you had the small scale poker/blackjack stuff going on, I think that could be a real sell for some tourists. Give them the feeling that they are participating in an underground poker ring or something. That would be fun.

I've viewed the casino from several different angles this week, and I have to say, I like the way it's filling out the skyline. When you approach it from 4th Street heading north, it really helps contribute to the "canyon effect." When looking at it from Broadway at the Dome, it just makes downtown look bigger. It's nice to have something with height at the northern end of downtown.



If we get some high rises as part of the Bottle District development, it will really give the northern end of downtown an entirely different look and feel.

Does anyone remember playing SimCity 2000 or 3000 or 4000 or whatever? Remember how legalizing gambling was just a cheap way to lure cash, tourists, and crime? It was certainly an exaggeration, but I would be hesitant about the prospect of turning the North Riverfront into a casino strip. Tourists are great but residents are better.

Swuss wrote:Does anyone remember playing SimCity 2000 or 3000 or 4000 or whatever? Remember how legalizing gambling was just a cheap way to lure cash, tourists, and crime? It was certainly an exaggeration, but I would be hesitant about the prospect of turning the North Riverfront into a casino strip. Tourists are great but residents are better.

Anyone remember playing? Uh, I still do.

^ i still play that game every once and a while

WHOA. I didn't realize I was speaking down to such a group of losers.



Keeding, I was obsessed for many a year.



The point is cities have such a low tax base now that they often bend easily for casino developments because of the obvious influx of cash to pay off debts. But St. Louis needs to get out of Build STAT mode (SomeThing, AnyThing) because before long we'll become the Atlantic City of the Midwest, unless Branson has that covered . . .

I don't think we have to worry about becoming another Atlantic City. Missouri will never allow that many large-scale casinos, certainly not all in one area. Personally, I'd love to see 2 or 3 more moderate-sized casinos on The Landing.