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PostFeb 14, 2008#1526

That's funny.



Most people I know don't like to talk about the East Side much. It's not that they're embarassed by it or anything, there's just not much to talk about.

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PostFeb 14, 2008#1527

zink wrote:^

I was talking with a coworker from Amsterdam about two month ago, and told him I live in St. Louis. The first thing that came out of his mouth was, "O! do you go to the 'EAST' side a lot."



Nope, not that arch, but the east side came up first. I asked him how did he know. He said everyone knows about the East side.



Then again.. this is coming from someone from Amsterdam. :)


I used to make an effort to take visiting friends to the East Side. Inevitably, it's what made the biggest impression on them. In a good way.

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PostFeb 14, 2008#1528

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DeBaliviere wrote:
jlblues wrote:^And rural southern Illinois people that are too afraid to come into 'The City'.


The older I get the more I realize how many people like that there are. I work with a few. One guy won't leave our building during the day. Another won't drive on the highways at night. And these are relatively young people I'm talking about.


Wow, scared to drive on a highway at night? WEIRD


I agree, that is priceless. I'd much rather drive on an urban highway at night than in the middle of nowhere (especially when it's deer season!).

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PostFeb 15, 2008#1529

When I visited Amsterdam the people I talked to were crazy for the Cardinals...never have been here but they follow the Cards.

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PostFeb 15, 2008#1530

^Is this Amsterdam, Missouri or Amsterdam, Ohio we are talking about?

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PostFeb 17, 2008#1531

The new Four Seasons is incredible. The restaurant/bar on the 8th floor offers excellent views of the riverfront and the downtown skyline. I went at night and the lights of both the skyline/ arch and eastside were impressive. It's great that the entire building is smoke free too.

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PostFeb 18, 2008#1532

I was downtown today with the cheap cam and took a few pics could they be starting phase 2????????????



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PostFeb 18, 2008#1533

Its hard to believe with the current market, and the Four seasons barely a week old that they would be starting construction on a proposed and not finalized phase II. It looks like they are putting in a surface parking-lot for additional casino parking after the hotel opened. St. Louis is great at putting up parking-lots. The city puts up parking lots at the same pace that Chicago gets a new Skyscraper.

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PostFeb 18, 2008#1534

Parking lots are our specialty.



But I'm glad they're working on it.



Maybe since property prices are down construction material prices are down, too?



Either that, or they just want to get it done.



The market's not great, but they might just be trying to get this done and ride out the storm.



But I'm just speculating. I really don't know.

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PostFeb 18, 2008#1535

Surface parking. It's just an extension of that lot you can see in the bottom corner of the webcam.

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PostFeb 18, 2008#1536

This will be a nice addition to the Mississippi Nights surface lot..... Anyybody know if they have a downtown surface lot walking tour?

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PostFeb 18, 2008#1537

There is a surface lot I've passed by in San Francisco that has solar panels installed over it. While I would never advocate having surface parking, if you have to have a surface lot, this is a good use for it. As a bonus, the solar panels shade the cars during the day. If they were installed over all of St. Louis' surface lots, they could probably power the entire City with power to spare!

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PostFeb 18, 2008#1538

MattnSTL wrote:Surface parking. It's just an extension of that lot you can see in the bottom corner of the webcam.
Now it'll really look like a strip mall...

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PostFeb 18, 2008#1539

I guess the one bit of good news is that they do actually have a plan for this area. When and if it comes to fruition is unknown, but at least it's a proper St. Louis lot because of it.

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PostFeb 18, 2008#1540

JCity wrote:The new Four Seasons is incredible. The restaurant/bar on the 8th floor offers excellent views of the riverfront and the downtown skyline. I went at night and the lights of both the skyline/ arch and eastside were impressive. It's great that the entire building is smoke free too.


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:wink: Excited to see some pics if anyone cares to venture over there. By the way, that Corona...10 bucks.

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PostFeb 18, 2008#1541

newstl2020 wrote:Excited to see some pics if anyone cares to venture over there. By the way, that Corona...10 bucks.


Yikes! If they charge $10 for a Corona, I wonder what they charge for a good beer? $20?

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PostFeb 18, 2008#1542

^Ha, had the same thought.

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PostFeb 18, 2008#1543

Im confused..... That photo looks like it was taken from the 40th floor......rather than the eighth.... Was this really taken from the Four Seasons?



ps... I know there is no 40th floor

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PostFeb 18, 2008#1544

If that's St. Louis, it's news to me. Theres a whole city I'm missing out on.

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PostFeb 19, 2008#1545

is it chicago, from a totally butt angle? It's obviously not STL.

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PostFeb 19, 2008#1546

newstl2020 wrote:
JCity wrote:The new Four Seasons is incredible. The restaurant/bar on the 8th floor offers excellent views of the riverfront and the downtown skyline. I went at night and the lights of both the skyline/ arch and eastside were impressive. It's great that the entire building is smoke free too.


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:wink: Excited to see some pics if anyone cares to venture over there. By the way, that Corona...10 bucks.
That is Chicago. The center of the menu lines up almost perfectly with Chicago Avenue. The light grey building is the former Woolworth building. You can see the Chicago River just a bit to the left on either side of the Erie on the Park building. The Ohio Street connection to the Kennedy is to the left, and the highway looking thing is the Chicago Northwestern train tracks I guess (Metra and Amtrak). The view overlooks the western part of the River North area. The interesting thing is that of all those high-rises in the picture, only the Woolworth building existed 10 years ago.



Heh, you can almost make out Mr. Beef!



This is fun, let's do another one!

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PostFeb 19, 2008#1547

Well I didn't expect it to turn into that....



That picture was taken from the Signature Lounge on the 96th floor of the John Hancock building (40th??? come on). I have much better pics of the city from our second table, which was looking South (towards the rest of the city). However, this being a forum on Lumiere, I will post only one and then we can get back on topic. :D (And I was drinking a corona because of the time of day more than anything else (noon). I usually stick exclusively to Budweiser and Smithwick's. Buds were 8.25 a piece.)







Now, how about some pics from the bar in our neck of the woods? I put you in charge of this jlblues, as you had the closest response to the location. :wink:

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PostFeb 20, 2008#1548

At a boy Slay....


Monday, February 18, 2008

Loss Limits



The Missouri General Assembly is having its annual debate on casino loss limits, a state law that prohibits gamblers from losing more than $500 every two hours. Missouri is the only state that has such a law.



This year’s iteration of the proposal would couple a repeal of the limits to higher state taxes on casinos and an overall cap on the number of casinos. Proponents argue that limits put Missouri casinos at a competitive disadvantage to those right across the borders; opponents argue that the limits make it harder for some gamblers to lose an entire paycheck in a single spree.



In general, I side with those who favor a repeal of loss limits. Casino operator Pinnacle Entertainment has ambitious plans for its property on the St. Louis riverfront, including new residences and more retail and entertainment venues. Missouri law already has a provision to address the worries of those gamblers who fear they might lose the rent: a self-enrolled list of people banned from playing.


http://www.mayorslay.com/desk/

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PostFeb 20, 2008#1549

There we go. This piece is critical for the future of Lumiere development downtown. They need to advertise the hell out of this outside the metro areas.

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PostFeb 20, 2008#1550

Whether you like gambling or not, the reality is that it produces too much revenue to go away. I think the loss limits were a very wellintentioned but misguided effore to limit the bad effects gambling was supposed to bring...families would be destroyed, etc.



However in practice all that the loss limit has done is prevent Missouri casinos from competing int he marketplace...big gamblers don't even consider coming to Missouri, they will however allow themselves to be wined and dined by casinos in Illinois and Mississippi. Repealing the loss limit will allow our casinos to compete. Pinnacle will be in amazing shape because they can entice their big gamblers with a stay at the four seasons...but the loss limit needs to go.

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