Matt wrote:Watched some NLEC television this morning. An advertisement profiles the work accomplished to cleanup Lucas Park by them. Focused on cleaning up animal waste left behind by downtown loft residents.
You have got to be kidding me.
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You have got to be kidding me.
If they're so effective, then why stop at Lucas Park. Send these guys throughout downtown to clean up the entire area. This solves both the littering and loitering problems.
Matt wrote:Watched some NLEC television this morning. An advertisement profiles the work accomplished to cleanup Lucas Park by them. Focused on cleaning up animal waste left behind by downtown loft residents.
Clever!!!
Matt wrote:Watched some NLEC television this morning. An advertisement profiles the work accomplished to cleanup Lucas Park by them. Focused on cleaning up animal waste left behind by downtown loft residents.
Are they sure that was pet waste they were cleaning up? I bet not.
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Trauts wrote:If they're so effective, then why stop at Lucas Park. Send these guys throughout downtown to clean up the entire area. This solves both the littering and loitering problems.
That would require work. Won't happen.
^ That's kinda my point...the only way these people are getting pet waste out of the park is if its stuck to their shoes.
Just got back from a walk that included a trip through Lucas Park. The NLEC has the park festooned with message signs, I think in prep for their night with the homeless event tonight. I agree with a number of the messages such as "This park is not only for dogs but people too"..."The homeless have a right to use this park too".... However, one of the signs seemed a little far fetched...."God bless the homeless veterans from the NLEC who clean this park every morning"... I don't live next to the park and rarely walk by/thru it in the mornings, so I can't testify to the validity of the statement. I was sent an email message a few days ago in which the author indicated he had seen Larry Rice out in the park wiith a photographer for a few minutes snapping photos of Larry with a broom and dust pan near one of the dog poop bag dispensers.
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vollum wrote:Just got back from a walk that included a trip through Lucas Park. The NLEC has the park festooned with message signs, I think in prep for their night with the homeless event tonight. I agree with a number of the messages such as "This park is not only for dogs but people too"..."The homeless have a right to use this park too".... However, one of the signs seemed a little far fetched...."God bless the homeless veterans from the NLEC who clean this park every morning"... I don't live next to the park and rarely walk by/thru it in the mornings, so I can't testify to the validity of the statement. I was sent an email message a few days ago in which the author indicated he had seen Larry Rice out in the park wiith a photographer for a few minutes snapping photos of Larry with a broom and dust pan near one of the dog poop bag dispensers.
Hmmmm....I'm wondering if those signs are legal. I may have to wander over there later and take them down.
Permits for the event tonight are posted and the permit probably includes posting signs... The man does have a TV station...The spin from NLEC on this will probably try to take credit for all of the positive things that have been accomplished lately in the park. I wonder if any of the regular news media will have the guts to report an accurate story of what has really happened.
Have the local media been informed? Does anyone have any contacts?
I have to admit, I was a little skeptical of some of the anti-Larry Rice talk before, but this news about him taking credit for the work you all did (and, on top of that, blaming downtown residents) really bugs me.
I have to admit, I was a little skeptical of some of the anti-Larry Rice talk before, but this news about him taking credit for the work you all did (and, on top of that, blaming downtown residents) really bugs me.
^Yep, that is Larry Rice, and this is a perfect example of what he has been doing in this town for the last few decades. He is a master of media and public manipulation, and that is why the city refuses to touch any of the issues that surround him with a ten-foot pole, leaving the cancer in place, and afflicted citizens, both homed and homeless, with so few options.
Taking credit for work others have done so that he can raise money for his "shelter" is pretty shameful.
How very, very sad.
Having a picture taken of him picking up human waste and then calling it "dog poop" is very interesting. And I'm assuming it's human waste because most of the dog owners pick up after their pet. If they don't then they should be fined.
Heck, maybe he went into the doggie bin, got a bag and emptied on the ground just so that he could get his photo op? We won't know until we get the video cameras up in the park.
Just last Saturday I had to call the cops as a woman leaned against a tree, dropped trou and then peed right next to a guy sleeping and in front of kids playing. The description of her to the dispatcher was that she was wearing urine soaked sweats and that they couldn't miss her. Right before this, the cops were called on a bunch of people doing drugs in the park.
Either this woman or another was also seen taking a dump on somebody's loading dock in front of a group of people.
Peeing in front of children in a public place is just atrocious. It's this type of behavior that will be stopped.
By trying to lay blame on someone else, taking credit for things he hasn't done, and trying to make controversy so that he can raise "funds" to fuel his $40-50 million dollar empire is beyond sick.
This just goes to show everyone what kind of person he is and again what type of operation he runs.
How very, very sad.
Having a picture taken of him picking up human waste and then calling it "dog poop" is very interesting. And I'm assuming it's human waste because most of the dog owners pick up after their pet. If they don't then they should be fined.
Heck, maybe he went into the doggie bin, got a bag and emptied on the ground just so that he could get his photo op? We won't know until we get the video cameras up in the park.
Just last Saturday I had to call the cops as a woman leaned against a tree, dropped trou and then peed right next to a guy sleeping and in front of kids playing. The description of her to the dispatcher was that she was wearing urine soaked sweats and that they couldn't miss her. Right before this, the cops were called on a bunch of people doing drugs in the park.
Either this woman or another was also seen taking a dump on somebody's loading dock in front of a group of people.
Peeing in front of children in a public place is just atrocious. It's this type of behavior that will be stopped.
By trying to lay blame on someone else, taking credit for things he hasn't done, and trying to make controversy so that he can raise "funds" to fuel his $40-50 million dollar empire is beyond sick.
This just goes to show everyone what kind of person he is and again what type of operation he runs.
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gopher wrote:Taking credit for work others have done so that he can raise money for his "shelter" is pretty shameful.
How very, very sad.
Having a picture taken of him picking up human waste and then calling it "dog poop" is very interesting. And I'm assuming it's human waste because most of the dog owners pick up after their pet. If they don't then they should be fined.
Heck, maybe he went into the doggie bin, got a bag and emptied on the ground just so that he could get his photo op? We won't know until we get the video cameras up in the park.
Just last Saturday I had to call the cops as a woman leaned against a tree, dropped trou and then peed right next to a guy sleeping and in front of kids playing. The description of her to the dispatcher was that she was wearing urine soaked sweats and that they couldn't miss her. Right before this, the cops were called on a bunch of people doing drugs in the park.
Either this woman or another was also seen taking a dump on somebody's loading dock in front of a group of people.
Peeing in front of children in a public place is just atrocious. It's this type of behavior that will be stopped.
By trying to lay blame on someone else, taking credit for things he hasn't done, and trying to make controversy so that he can raise "funds" to fuel his $40-50 million dollar empire is beyond sick.
This just goes to show everyone what kind of person he is and again what type of operation he runs.
He is garbage. Absolute garbage. Period.
It sounds like 98% of the people posting to this topic have a better idea than Larry Rice. So why don't you post the opening of your new homeless shelters and show everyone how your idea is so superior.
Sure...
It's called the City's 10 year plan. 50% of the homeless are from the counties, why should we here in the city be burdened with the region's problems when they (the counties) are more than capable of handling some of the load for getting people help?
What we need is the following:
Transitional supportive housing that is run by reputable organizations.
You know organizations that don't require "volunteer servitude" for 2 years working in broadcasting or "green energy".
Organizations that actually try to get people jobs that pay something.
Organizations that don't kick people out after 2 weeks.
Organizations that don't make people take their stuff with them. Organizations that actually treat people with respect and dignity.
Organizations that actually WORK with the neighborhood instead of constantly trying to drive a wedge between people.
Organizations that don't get on TV to tell people to commit illegal acts.
Organizations that one moment say they're worth $40-50 million in an affidavit and then the next moment say they're poor when it suits them.
Organizations that don't call people a bunch of NAZI's when they don't get their way.
Organizations that provide enough security for the people they "serve" so that people don't get chainsawed, raped, or stabbed.
Organizations that follow all the laws and not try to hide behind either a 501(3c) and/or a "church" status.
Organizations that have licensed clinical social workers instead of people who's qualifications are "bubbles over in compassion".
http://www.martello.org/NLEC/2004/exhibit_13.pdf
St. Pat's works. Centenary Church works, Sunshine mission works, Circle of Concern works, and so do many, many others. Larry isn't the only "game" in town, he creates a roadblock to people needing a hand up not a hand out.
NLEC is a depression-era attempt to solve a modern day problem.
It's called the City's 10 year plan. 50% of the homeless are from the counties, why should we here in the city be burdened with the region's problems when they (the counties) are more than capable of handling some of the load for getting people help?
What we need is the following:
Transitional supportive housing that is run by reputable organizations.
You know organizations that don't require "volunteer servitude" for 2 years working in broadcasting or "green energy".
Organizations that actually try to get people jobs that pay something.
Organizations that don't kick people out after 2 weeks.
Organizations that don't make people take their stuff with them. Organizations that actually treat people with respect and dignity.
Organizations that actually WORK with the neighborhood instead of constantly trying to drive a wedge between people.
Organizations that don't get on TV to tell people to commit illegal acts.
Organizations that one moment say they're worth $40-50 million in an affidavit and then the next moment say they're poor when it suits them.
Organizations that don't call people a bunch of NAZI's when they don't get their way.
Organizations that provide enough security for the people they "serve" so that people don't get chainsawed, raped, or stabbed.
Organizations that follow all the laws and not try to hide behind either a 501(3c) and/or a "church" status.
Organizations that have licensed clinical social workers instead of people who's qualifications are "bubbles over in compassion".
http://www.martello.org/NLEC/2004/exhibit_13.pdf
St. Pat's works. Centenary Church works, Sunshine mission works, Circle of Concern works, and so do many, many others. Larry isn't the only "game" in town, he creates a roadblock to people needing a hand up not a hand out.
NLEC is a depression-era attempt to solve a modern day problem.
gopher wrote:Sure...
It's called the City's 10 year plan. 50% of the homeless are from the counties, why should we here in the city be burdened with the region's problems when they (the counties) are more than capable of handling some of the load for getting people help?
What we need is the following:
Transitional supportive housing that is run by reputable organizations.
You know organizations that don't require "volunteer servitude" for 2 years working in broadcasting or "green energy".
Organizations that actually try to get people jobs that pay something.
Organizations that don't kick people out after 2 weeks.
Organizations that don't make people take their stuff with them. Organizations that actually treat people with respect and dignity.
Organizations that actually WORK with the neighborhood instead of constantly trying to drive a wedge between people.
Organizations that don't get on TV to tell people to commit illegal acts.
Organizations that one moment say they're worth $40-50 million in an affidavit and then the next moment say they're poor when it suits them.
Organizations that don't call people a bunch of NAZI's when they don't get their way.
Organizations that provide enough security for the people they "serve" so that people don't get chainsawed, raped, or stabbed.
Organizations that follow all the laws and not try to hide behind either a 501(3c) and/or a "church" status.
Organizations that have licensed clinical social workers instead of people who's qualifications are "bubbles over in compassion".
http://www.martello.org/NLEC/2004/exhibit_13.pdf
St. Pat's works. Centenary Church works, Sunshine mission works, Circle of Concern works, and so do many, many others. Larry isn't the only "game" in town, he creates a roadblock to people needing a hand up not a hand out.
NLEC is a depression-era attempt to solve a modern day problem.
Sounds like you have it all figured out. So when do you create this fantastic organization and help solve the problem of homelessness?
There's an interesting comment over on Steve P's blog from Farrell that you all should read.
http://www.urbanreviewstl.com/?p=4045#comments
Again, back to my point of the Transitional Supportive Housing, which is part of the city's plan, which is working. NLEC is not and contributes to the cycle. You want to break the cycle? Get rid of NLEC and get more transitional housing and supportive services that actually work.
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# Farrell Chatwell on 05 Oct 2008 at 11:01 pm
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME ON THIS SITE BECAUSE USING THE NET FOR MORE THAN JUST LOOKING FOR A JOB IS NEW TO ME. I AM THE FWC THAT STEVE MENTION IN HIS WRITING SO I AM VERY INTERESTED IN THE COMMENTS. LARRY RICE HAS SOME GOOD AND BAD POINTS FIRST LET ME TELL YOU IF YOU ARE REALLY REALLY HUNGRY YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS GET SOMETHING TO EAT FROM RICE’S AND WHEN IT IS 2 DEGREES OUTSIDE NLEC(RICE’S PLACE) WILL ALWAYS ALWAYS LET YOU IN NO MATTER WHAT TIME OF NIGHT AND IF YOU HAVE NO STATE ID RICE WILL LET YOU IN AND HELP YOU GET AN ID WHICH YOU WILL NEED TO GET IN TO ANY OTHER SHELTER. NOW HAVING SAID ALL THAT THERE ARE MANY MANY THING RICE NEEDS TO GET TOGETHER I TOO BELIEVE THAT HE TRULY DOESN’T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE GET ON THIER FEET ONLY GET RECYCLED THRU A SYSTEM THAT KEEPS HIM IN BUSINESS.
JOBS AND HOUSING ARE THE TWO BIGGEST THINGS THAT THE HOMELESS NEED TO BECOME STABLE. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND THANKS FOR ALL YOUR CONCERN AND HELP. IF ANY OF YOU REALLY WHAT TO GET RID OF THE “HOMELESS PROBLEM” HELP THE HOMELESS GET “HOMES”!!!!!
THEN THIER WOULD BE NO NEED FOR LARRY RICE.
http://www.urbanreviewstl.com/?p=4045#comments
Again, back to my point of the Transitional Supportive Housing, which is part of the city's plan, which is working. NLEC is not and contributes to the cycle. You want to break the cycle? Get rid of NLEC and get more transitional housing and supportive services that actually work.
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jambalaya wrote:gopher wrote:Sure...
It's called the City's 10 year plan. 50% of the homeless are from the counties, why should we here in the city be burdened with the region's problems when they (the counties) are more than capable of handling some of the load for getting people help?
What we need is the following:
Transitional supportive housing that is run by reputable organizations.
You know organizations that don't require "volunteer servitude" for 2 years working in broadcasting or "green energy".
Organizations that actually try to get people jobs that pay something.
Organizations that don't kick people out after 2 weeks.
Organizations that don't make people take their stuff with them. Organizations that actually treat people with respect and dignity.
Organizations that actually WORK with the neighborhood instead of constantly trying to drive a wedge between people.
Organizations that don't get on TV to tell people to commit illegal acts.
Organizations that one moment say they're worth $40-50 million in an affidavit and then the next moment say they're poor when it suits them.
Organizations that don't call people a bunch of NAZI's when they don't get their way.
Organizations that provide enough security for the people they "serve" so that people don't get chainsawed, raped, or stabbed.
Organizations that follow all the laws and not try to hide behind either a 501(3c) and/or a "church" status.
Organizations that have licensed clinical social workers instead of people who's qualifications are "bubbles over in compassion".
http://www.martello.org/NLEC/2004/exhibit_13.pdf
St. Pat's works. Centenary Church works, Sunshine mission works, Circle of Concern works, and so do many, many others. Larry isn't the only "game" in town, he creates a roadblock to people needing a hand up not a hand out.
NLEC is a depression-era attempt to solve a modern day problem.
Sounds like you have it all figured out. So when do you create this fantastic organization and help solve the problem of homelessness?
How many homeless people have you taken in?
(Hint: The answer is none)
I'm sorry CS but I am involved with a ministry that has built a dental clinic in Kosovo, built an AIDS clinic and school in Nairobi, rebuilt 185 homes after the Indonesian tsunami, rebuilt portions of Mississippi after Hurricane Katrina and recently assisted with the floor relief in Pacific and Winfield, Missouri. We always have room for more civic-minded volunteers like you...let me know if you're interested.
The point of my question has to do with people who do nothing but whine and complain about things without doing anything about the cause. Don't treat the symptom - go after the cause. My point was to encourage this post to stop complaining about someone else's attempt (whether good or bad) to help, and generate and create your own solution. I think you will find it is far easier to be a backrow bomb thrower like you, than to be a front line problem solver. Have you removed your Chuck Taylors from your pie-hole yet? How's the view from the back row?
The point of my question has to do with people who do nothing but whine and complain about things without doing anything about the cause. Don't treat the symptom - go after the cause. My point was to encourage this post to stop complaining about someone else's attempt (whether good or bad) to help, and generate and create your own solution. I think you will find it is far easier to be a backrow bomb thrower like you, than to be a front line problem solver. Have you removed your Chuck Taylors from your pie-hole yet? How's the view from the back row?
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jambalaya wrote:I'm sorry CS but I am involved with a ministry that has built a dental clinic in Kosovo, built an AIDS clinic and school in Nairobi, rebuilt 185 homes after the Indonesian tsunami, rebuilt portions of Mississippi after Hurricane Katrina and recently assisted with the floor relief in Pacific and Winfield, Missouri. We always have room for more civic-minded volunteers like you...let me know if you're interested.
I'll pass.
jambalaya wrote:The point of my question has to do with people who do nothing but whine and complain about things without doing anything about the cause. Don't treat the symptom - go after the cause. My point was to encourage this post to stop complaining about someone else's attempt (whether good or bad) to help, and generate and create your own solution. I think you will find it is far easier to be a backrow bomb thrower like you, than to be a front line problem solver. Have you removed your Chuck Taylors from your pie-hole yet? How's the view from the back row?
What on earth are you blathering about?
It is not my job to solve homelessness. It can't be solved, but that's another topic.
CS, it's not your "job" to solve homelessness - but your "job to whine about someone trying to help. What might your issues be with ministries anyway (I was really shocked that you would take a pass at my invitation - too bad). If you are correct (which thankfully you are not) and homelessness is an issue that cannot be solved - I guess you are content to sit back and complain while everyone else does the heavy lifting (and if you look back at the history of this country most of the "heavy lifting" involving humanitarian and civic matters has been done by the church or church ministries - if you have trouble comprehending this fact just look at the name of every major hospital in the entire country and their outreach programs). Wake up dude!
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jambalaya wrote:CS, it's not your "job" to solve homelessness - but your "job to whine about someone trying to help. What might your issues be with ministries anyway (I was really shocked that you would take a pass at my invitation - too bad).
Not enough server space for that.
jambalaya wrote:If you are correct (which thankfully you are not) and homelessness is an issue that cannot be solved...
Care to place a wager? How about $50,000? Or you can pick another amount. If there are no more homeless people in 10/20/50 years. You win. If there are, I win. (Somehow I doubt you will take this bet)
And after that, you can solve war and famine! This is something no one has been able to do in over 10,000 years of human history. Good luck, you'll need it!
jambalaya wrote:...I guess you are content to sit back and complain while everyone else does the heavy lifting (and if you look back at the history of this country most of the "heavy lifting" involving humanitarian and civic matters has been done by the church or church ministries - if you have trouble comprehending this fact just look at the name of every major hospital in the entire country and their outreach programs). Wake up dude!
Sorry, I don't have time to sit back and complain. I donate a lot of time and money to non-profits. Way more time and way more money than you. Trust me.
Take a look at the name of every major cult that has abused children in this country. There is the name of a church on the building. And the 9/11 terrorists? They also believed in a big imaginary sky friend. Ooops! That one kind of backfired.
Wake up dude!
You cannot judge a world view by it's abuses - and this includes your sophomoric and misguided views of a Christian world view...but people like you are too blinded by a bankrupt ideology (that includes your apparent agnostic or atheisitic world view).
I won't even comment on your ridiculous "wager".
I seriously doubt you have volunteered more time or money than anyone concerning true charity causes.
Your comment about "cults" and "radical Islam" proves what a genius you are, and how little you know about Christianity. Too bad for you.
I won't even comment on your ridiculous "wager".
I seriously doubt you have volunteered more time or money than anyone concerning true charity causes.
Your comment about "cults" and "radical Islam" proves what a genius you are, and how little you know about Christianity. Too bad for you.
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jambalaya wrote:You cannot judge a world view by it's abuses - and this includes your sophomoric and misguided views of a Christian world view...but people like you are too blinded by a bankrupt ideology (that includes your apparent agnostic or atheisitic world view).
I won't even comment on your ridiculous "wager".
I seriously doubt you have volunteered more time or money than anyone concerning true charity causes.
Your comment about "cults" and "radical Islam" proves what a genius you are, and how little you know about Christianity. Too bad for you.
LOL! That's funny!
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God is dead. Stabbed on the sidewalk of 14th and Locust.
Couldn't....help....myself....
Couldn't....help....myself....