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PostDec 03, 2007#101

Well, you did just lump me in with EVERYONE who has ever complained here, soooo, that was you.

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^^nice :D . Look, I didn't think it was a big deal to say I didn't like the friggin thing. And I'm certainly not a NIMBY. This is probably the only specific thing I have ever complained about here. Maybe its the lack of originality, ot perhaps its just the big blue box. It just seems awkward.



I'll survive. And I will bowl there. Often.



I can't get the pics in my above post to come up so..

What I think would have been "more suitable" is something akin to the dubliner sign. A large pink outlined flamingo standing atop a horizontal sign that says "BOWL".



Just my 2 cents...

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PostDec 03, 2007#103

I'd be more worried as to whether it will be in business in 5 years.



Bowling was essentially dead in this country until a few years ago when it became the hip fad. What happens when the fad dies (as all fads eventually do)?

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PostDec 03, 2007#104

^^



I do wish the marquee were rounded - like a half circle coming off the building instead of the big box. Anyway, bowling is back to stay for awhile. And when it's no longer popular bowling alleys will close and something else will go in - same with every other business/store that inevitably goes out.

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PostDec 03, 2007#105

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I'd be more worried as to whether it will be in business in 5 years.



Bowling was essentially dead in this country until a few years ago when it became the hip fad. What happens when the fad dies (as all fads eventually do)?


I think you're viewing it wrong. Bowling has essentially split into two divisions. The suburban mega places that have 40 lanes, arcades etc like the Brunswick XL's that have opened in St. Peters MO and Troy Illinois. Those are more aimed at the families with their cosmic bowl nights and other things to get people in. Those are the ones I see in danger because of their high start-up costs. Look how fast Lucky Strike open and closed out at St. Louis Mills.



Then there's the smaller urban places like Pin-Up, Flamingo and Moolah with 8, 10 or 12 lanes tops. Places like these will survive because they're more aimed at adults: think of bars that happen to have a few bowling lanes. Look at how Saratoga has lasted so long.



I know I've been to Pin-Up a few times where the place is busy with people partying and drinking: yet there are lanes still sitting open.



EDIT: plus the craze you talk about didn't really result in a major bowling center building boom. It's not like trampoline pits of the 60's, roller rinks on the 70's or arcades in the 80's where you could swing a cat by it's tail and hit one of these places.



The recent bowling fad you talked about only increased business of existing places, and only at select times. I remember a few years ago having to make a non-refundable deposit by Thursday to ensure a lane for Cosmic Bowling on a Saturday night.



It's not like this craze resulted in everyone being in leagues like it used to be 30 years ago. Back then I remember my dad and almost every other father in the neighborhood being in 1 or 2 leagues.

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PostDec 03, 2007#106

^Thanks for pointing that out; I had wanted to respond to that comment as well awhile back and forgot about it.



I sort of see the recent "trendiness" of bowling as akin to what Tiger Woods did for golf: open the sport up to people who had previously overlooked it. Bowling had been stereotyped as a blue-collar "hoosier thing," while golf had been strereotyped as a blue-blooded "bourgeois thing." What Tiger and the "trendy bowling" phenomenon have done is broadened people's horizons about who can play those sports. I think that the bowling trend has only made bowling more mainstream, and so while in a couple years it might not be a "hip" thing to do (assuming it ever was), it won't be seen as "unhip" as it may have been before the trendiness kicked in.

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PostDec 04, 2007#107

I personally attribute Bowling's resurgence to "The Big Lebowski".

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PostDec 04, 2007#108

Or Kingpin

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PostDec 04, 2007#109

I would be happy, Juice, to conduct a poll based on the finished Pinnacle project on an architectural forum.



Let's put it to a vote on Skyscraperpage even.



I will bet you 50 bucks that non-St. Louisans would think that thing is downright HIDEOUS. It's just laughable. I know casinos are supposed to be over the top, but it's not even that. It does manage to be both abominably ugly and drearily plain. That's a feat. Compare it to what's left of the Landing and you get an amazing architectural slaughterhouse.



It needs to be repeated over and over again with the happy go lucky boosters on this forum: complaints aren't a bad thing! Especially for a group of individuals that believes in personal responsibility, let's hold these architects accountable. We, as residents, shoppers, visitors, pedestrians, even motorists have to encounter the built environment more than the designers of these buildings. This thing is U-G-L-Y and it ain't got no alibi.



Now the sign. It's okay. It doesn't excite or anger me. So, I guess, thumbs up. There's some positivity for you. :D

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PostDec 04, 2007#110

I don't want to sidetrack this thread, but frankly, I've never seen an aesthetically pleasing casino.



MDTH, I agree about the Flamingo Bowl sign.

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PostDec 04, 2007#111

^ I didn't know your thumb pointed that way!!! :lol:



But seriously, your complaints about the Pinnacle project are valid - but let's see what the project is like when we visit it and use the area, not just what near-to-the-end construction we can see from I-70 or a casual drive.



The Flamingo Bowl sign should be looking better once the additional neon's in place.

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PostDec 05, 2007#112

I am a born gambler, so I'll be there Grover! Don't let my negativity fool you; I am addicted.



......





And I love bowling too. :lol:

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PostDec 05, 2007#113

^ How bout betting on bowling? I'll kick your arse ;) j/k, i'm not a gambling man save for investing... and that's like counting cards for me.

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PostDec 06, 2007#114

Really, what could be more fun than drinking beer and knocking stuff down?

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PostDec 06, 2007#115

Ha! You starting a fraternity or something? :wink:

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PostDec 06, 2007#116

Here's your chance for free bowling!!!



Please join The Honorable Mayor Francis Slay, Alderwoman Phyllis Young and Downtown Partnership President Jim Cloar as they help

Joe Edwards celebrate the Official Grand Opening & Ribbon Cutting of Flamingo Bowl.




Thursday, December 13, 2007

3:00 pm



1117 Washington Avenue



(complimentary refreshments and bowling until 5 pm)



RSVP from this link: RSVP

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PostDec 07, 2007#117

Bet it won't be easy to get a lane that day

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PostDec 07, 2007#118

Not with the DTSLRA party after this the same day...



By the way looked in last night and they were testing the scoreing screens, which are sick flat panels. The light fixtures are really cool too, in a Edwards cheese way. This looks a bit more modern and "loft like" than Pin-Up. Cleaner lines, brighter colors...



Can't wait for this to open!

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PostDec 11, 2007#120

The sign was on during lunch time today. Not the marquee part but the neon was working. Looks real nice looking up the block.



They're going to have to work close to 24/7 to be ready for Thursday afternoon. I tried not to be too obnoxious while I stood in the window, but I counted at least 25 workers doing tons of different things:

~electricians behind the bar

~four or five guys working on the lanes

~couple of flooring/carpeting people

~people working on the tables and chairs

~others working on cleaning

~two working on the video screens



And they're all moving like their a**es are on fire.

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PostDec 11, 2007#121

Joe Edward's team is comprised of complete professionals! They're pretty much right on schedule. It'll be interesting to see how smooth things are on Thursday, but I'm sure it'll be pretty good...



Here's some pictures from this morning although I plan to take some at night, which will look more impressive.



http://flickr.com/photos/digistic/tags/flamingo/show/








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PostDec 11, 2007#122

innov8ion wrote:Joe Edward's team is comprised of complete professionals! They're pretty much right on schedule. It'll be interesting to see how smooth things are on Thursday, but I'm sure it'll be pretty good...



Here's some pictures from this morning although I plan to take some at night, which will look more impressive.



http://flickr.com/photos/digistic/tags/flamingo/show/









He's probably got every available warm body on his payroll down there. I thought I recognized a couple of Blueberry Hill wait/bar staff doing some of the cleaning.

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PostDec 11, 2007#123

The sign looks much better lit up like that - thanks for the pics!

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PostDec 12, 2007#124

^ You're welcome. Would have taken some tonite but it was kinda gross out. The sign does look beautiful at night! I think most others will agree when they see it for themselves.



So I just got back from taking care of a couple horses about 12:15 this morning and took a walk to Flamingo Bowl to see how things were coming. Joe Edwards was there, along with a crew of about 5-10 people. I was smiling while peering inside, because I know we're all lucky to have him downtown. I normally don't gush over people, but the man is just a very special person. Calm demeanor, focused, out of the box thinking, good business acumen and just a good person.



I'm so looking forward to hanging out here... :)

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PostDec 12, 2007#125

From Deb Peterson's Column:


KNOCKIN' EM DOWN: It's another strike — of the bowling variety — for our town's fun czar, Joe Edwards. Thursday at 3 p.m., St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay, Alderman Phyllis Young and Downtown Partnership prez Jim Cloar will be on hand to help Edwards cut the ribbon to open the Flamingo Bowl in the Lucas Lofts at 1117 Washington Avenue. Edwards tipped the other day that he's busy sorting through gobs of flamingo paraphernalia he's been collecting for years so he can stock a signature display case at the new bowling spot. He said the alley's design by Kiku Obata and Co. is art deco-inspired, and from what we've seen, the neon sign looks like old Miami. The bowling alley will be open seven days a week from noon to 3 a.m. and will have a hearty menu available until 2 a.m. for bowlers and ball watchers alike.
I hope it is going to be better than the food they serve at 2 AM at Pin-Up!



Why can't these places ever get their websites up before opening day? Is there a shortage of web designers in this town or something?

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