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DeBaliviere wrote:

ChrisInDownTown wrote:let's make jokes about people dying. Good times.

I don't have much sympathy for scum bags who shoot at cops.

...with poor aim. He (alegedly) got a couple of rounds off before they did and the cops still managed to get a head shot.

Likely by accident. Police aren't trained to shoot for "headshots". They shoot for the body where they have the greatest chance of hitting the suspect. Headshots are for Counter-Strike.

It doesn't say anything about what he was doing, besides being "suspicious" looking. I mean obviously he fired back eventually but I wonder what was up that got the cops interested at first?

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The man was clutching his waistband in a way that suggested he might have been concealing a weapon, police said.

stlmike wrote:It doesn't say anything about what he was doing, besides being "suspicious" looking. I mean obviously he fired back eventually but I wonder what was up that got the cops interested at first?

KMOX radio was saying at the noon news report that he was wanted in questioning about car break-ins.

ChrisInDownTown wrote:I must have read a different story then about the CNN shooting, because I thought one fo the victims was the gunmans girlfriend. Please let me know which one you are referring to.

Lighten up. It wasn't "a joke about people dying." In St. Louis, at least some people (at least some on KMOX this morning) were citing the shooting as a reason why "downtown is dangerous." Meanwhile, another shooting occured in downtown Atlanta, which clearly doesn't have the same image issues of sometimes-empty-at-night streets.



Both shootings freaked people out, but for different reasons. I don't monitor Atlanta media too closely, but I doubt Atlantans are now self-analyzing about the relative safety of their downtown.

^good point!

bonwich wrote:

ChrisInDownTown wrote:I must have read a different story then about the CNN shooting, because I thought one fo the victims was the gunmans girlfriend. Please let me know which one you are referring to.

Lighten up. It wasn't "a joke about people dying." In St. Louis, at least some people (at least some on KMOX this morning) were citing the shooting as a reason why "downtown is dangerous." Meanwhile, another shooting occured in downtown Atlanta, which clearly doesn't have the same image issues of sometimes-empty-at-night streets.



Both shootings freaked people out, but for different reasons. I don't monitor Atlanta media too closely, but I doubt Atlantans are now self-analyzing about the relative safety of their downtown.

Jezus Joe, the Atlanta incident was a domestic dispute that ended in gun fire, the one in St. Louis was a shootout between the police! There's a huge difference in perception of safety when one shootout is between two people who know each other, and the other is with the police!



Of course, with our cops, it's more likely the man was simply scalping tickets, the cops wanted some, and he wouldn't give them any. Most car thieves they just let go - they're not allowed to chase them right?

It doesn't say anything about what he was doing, besides being "suspicious" looking. I mean obviously he fired back eventually but I wonder what was up that got the cops interested at first?

THIS is the best quote by far, YES stlmike! "obviously he fired back". when the cops question me, I have the right to pull my gun on them.

It was the COPS who were antagonizing this poor innocent man. Amazing! These cops should be rewarded and promoted. One less p.o.s. to drag our downtown down the tubes.

Wasn't a lady shot and KILLED in the parking lot of WEST COUNTY mall a few years ago? hmmmm...

migueltejada wrote:



Of course, with our cops, it's more likely the man was simply scalping tickets, the cops wanted some, and he wouldn't give them any. Most car thieves they just let go - they're not allowed to chase them right?

^Good grief...

migueltejada wrote:Of course, with our cops, it's more likely the man was simply scalping tickets, the cops wanted some, and he wouldn't give them any. Most car thieves they just let go - they're not allowed to chase them right?

I was just working on a crossword puzzle. Can anybody think of a five-letter word for someone that intentionally makes derogatory comments about a sensitive issue on a discussion forum to bait others into responding?

Where's that dictionary when I need it? I can think of lot's of four letter words, but no five letter words. Sorry.







And where's that Urbanstl HOF thread when I need it?

ThreeOneFour wrote:I was just working on a crossword puzzle. Can anybody think of a five-letter word for someone that intentionally makes derogatory comments about a sensitive issue on a discussion forum to bait others into responding?

THIS is the best quote by far, YES stlmike! "obviously he fired back". when the cops question me, I have the right to pull my gun on them.

It was the COPS who were antagonizing this poor innocent man. Amazing! These cops should be rewarded and promoted. One less p.o.s. to drag our downtown down the tubes.

Wasn't a lady shot and KILLED in the parking lot of WEST COUNTY mall a few years ago? hmmmm..."

JCity, when I said "obviously he fired back," I didn't mean that it was an obvious decision on his part, that it was a natural choice. I meant that, while what he did to stir up the interest of the police in the first place was not obvious in the article, the actual crime of firing back was clearly written out. It just seemed strange to me. The story just didn't have enough of a beginning. A guy fires back at cops? Usually that means he was up to some other crime and felt threatened. People don't start firing back unless they are cornered. I wasn't trying to imply that it was the Cops fault, I just thought that he must have been up to something pretty bad if he felt like he was caught and needed to shoot at the police and the article didn't seem to mention anything. Thanks for mocking me!

When did everyone become so sensitive here?

JMedwick wrote:That incident above occurred between Broadway and 4th Street on Locust and we are expecting folks after the game to stroll over to the Landing or the Casino or Washington Avenue? Yet, it is incidents like the above that give walking in downtown a bad name and feed the aura of fear. Sure, downtown streets maybe more crowded and lively on a spring night than they have been in 20 years, but if people perceive crime to be a problem, perceive danger, and perceive the streets to be eerily quiet, then it does not matter what progress has been made because some will just turn away and decide that walking downtown is not for them. Crime downtown is a problem and the perception of crime is even worse.

perceptions of crime .. suburbanites "perceive" danger because the urban streetscape is so different from the suburban. streets and sidewalks and buildings squished together, cars flying past, dark alleys, eerie orange floodlighting on everything .. but perceptions are a b*tch, and the city could try forever to appease a bunch of nitpicking hoosiers.. who really (like most people) have no intention of changing the way they see the world.



forget converting people .. i would rather the city spends its time satisfying the people who are already here, and the new people who are coming & enjoying our city for what it already is, than spend so much energy (and wrecking balls) trying to market the city to the suburbanites.



perceptions cut both ways though. 'baddies' and con-men and homeless also perceive downtown as a destination. i would rather fight those perceptions, the coverage of the shooting arguably does that. i know i dont feel any less safe.

sorry stl mike, i didn't mean to attack you.

I was attacking the opinions of some who like to defend criminals... cough..stl city judges...cough...

Wasn't this thread about the new J. Buck's restaurant?

^ A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...

so, when does this open again?

JCity wrote:so, when does this open again?

They're shooting for August. *rimshot*

Zing!