Issues around Washington Ave Clubs

doug · PostAug 10, 2010#3262010-08-10T21:49+00:00

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Blah Blah snarky comment Blah

Could you see Russia from Lure? MeShon's happens to be immediately next to this parking lot. Were they ever investigated by this truth commission?

If by lower standards of evidence you mean absolutely none then I agree.

I don't really care about Lure and I don't doubt they are using the argument of racism as a cover for mismanagement. I don't disagree with all complaints filed against them. But again if you read my first post way back it was not in defense of Lure but calling out what I believe to be racism. That does not mean I support Lure. Anyway though I agree this is getting repetitive. I will resist responding.

the central scrutinizer · PostAug 10, 2010#3272010-08-10T22:12+00:00

Doug wrote:Could you see Russia from Lure?

No.

Doug wrote:MeShon's happens to be immediately next to this parking lot.

Very good. You realize MeShon's is right next door, but you also think Russia is too. How odd.

Doug wrote:Were they ever investigated by this truth commission?

No, they had no reason to be. Oh, unless you want to shut down bars frequented by blacks. Is that your goal? Seems rather racist to me.

Doug wrote:blah blah blah

I ignored the rest of the nonsense.

innov8ion · PostAug 10, 2010#3282010-08-10T22:17+00:00

Doug wrote:Could you see Russia from Lure? MeShon's happens to be immediately next to this parking lot. Were they ever investigated by this truth commission?

I'm not sure what Russia and your truth commission have to do with Club Lure but the police have strong evidence tying multiple fights and other disturbances to Lure's patrons.

the count · PostAug 10, 2010#3292010-08-10T22:37+00:00

doug · PostAug 11, 2010#3302010-08-11T03:12+00:00

innov8ion · PostAug 11, 2010#3312010-08-11T14:13+00:00

Doug wrote:

gone corporate · PostAug 12, 2010#3322010-08-12T20:24+00:00

Doug wrote:
Gone Corporate wrote:...simple fact that crimes are taking place there, from drug dealing in the club to police officers being farking shot at in a crowd on a busy Downtown street. Meanwhile, the management of Lure has been feeding the negative elements surrounding this, from lax security management & thematically playing to material excess to being problem neighbors, ultimately playing the race card in the public eye as a blatant distraction to their explicit mismanagement in the hopes of drawing support from those who would never support them otherwise. They failed when they ran it as Lucky’s, and they’re failing now with the newer Lure brand.

However, the focus of this thread is Lure and the problems caused there, these problems being violent crimes.
Drugs and the club scene have been connected since before you and I were both born. Closing Lure will not remove drug usage. To assume that Lure had anything to do with the parking lot shooting is ridiculous. Would Mandina's on St. Louis Avenue be responsible for a shooting in St. Louis Place or on North Florissant? Critics assume that these African Americans were patrons of Lure because they happen to have a hip hop night. If it was an Asian themed event instead this would have never been tied to the club, but rather yet another group of nameless African Americans shooting at Police. Lure could have taken steps to increase public safety around their club, but again I don't believe any of these shootings took place in their building. It's completely insane to hold them to a higher standard which no other bar must. Business owners are not responsible for criminal activity in public areas blocks from their address especially when no proof exists that the offenders were patrons. Were they even caught? No, a shooting happened and it must have been Lure's fault. I am not sure what you mean about material excess. That's the basis of our economy.

For the simple sake of clarification:
1. The parking lot of the Jack Thompson Square building was cordoned off the night of the shooting, surrounded by yellow rope/tape to demarcate the sight of the shooting. I personally saw it blocked off.
2. There were witnesses who made statements that the shooters left from Lure that night, went to their parked car, and retrieved their guns there. These witnesses I've heard include both Police and citizen passers-by.

Side note: It's really quite funny how the "drugs have been used in clubs for years" argument is the dismissive take on how past problems aren't to be countered today, as if that'll answer the problem by simply ignoring a desire to fight it. Then you go into a rant on race relations being legacies of the past that we must fight even if being at most only ancillary to the issues discussed. If you don't see the irony here, you need glasses.

doug · PostAug 13, 2010#3332010-08-13T03:58+00:00

^Then Lure would be responsible for that as well if it's true. I hope that is included as testimony. That kind of claim requires evidence.

Club culture revolves drug usage whether illegal or legal. Suggesting we protest clubs because of that is ridiculous. If you have a problem with drugs then look at national policies which make them readily available and why people desire to use them. I'm saying that attacking one club for having dealers, if applied across the board, would pretty much put a lot of places out of business. If we also applied the war on drugs policy to our college dorm housing then a lot of white affluent SLU and WashU kids would certainly be sitting behind bars. I wonder how many people who criticize drug usage at Lure happen to partake in the substances themselves?

the central scrutinizer · PostAug 13, 2010#3342010-08-13T04:06+00:00

Doug wrote:I wonder how many people who criticize drug usage at Lure happen to partake in the substances themselves?

I haven't heard anyone protesting drug usage at Lure. They're protesting gun usage. Do you really not understand that?

doug · PostAug 13, 2010#3352010-08-13T04:21+00:00

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Doug wrote:I wonder how many people who criticize drug usage at Lure happen to partake in the substances themselves?
I haven't heard anyone protesting drug usage at Lure. They're protesting gun usage. Do you really not understand that?

Do you not pay attention to previous posts in a thread or simply jump in and respond without any connection to the discussion at hand?

the central scrutinizer · PostAug 13, 2010#3362010-08-13T05:06+00:00

Doug wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Doug wrote:I wonder how many people who criticize drug usage at Lure happen to partake in the substances themselves?
I haven't heard anyone protesting drug usage at Lure. They're protesting gun usage. Do you really not understand that?
Do you not pay attention to previous posts in a thread or simply jump in and respond without any connection to the discussion at hand?

Do you ever think critically?

innov8ion · PostAug 13, 2010#3372010-08-13T13:15+00:00

Doug wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Doug wrote:I wonder how many people who criticize drug usage at Lure happen to partake in the substances themselves?
I haven't heard anyone protesting drug usage at Lure. They're protesting gun usage. Do you really not understand that?
Do you not pay attention to previous posts in a thread or simply jump in and respond without any connection to the discussion at hand?

The protest regards violence, Doug. The fact that some may be dealers or involved in gangs is ancillary.

dweebe · PostAug 13, 2010#3382010-08-13T21:26+00:00

Saturday night should be an interesting night along Washingtn Ave

-Cubs/Cards aftermath
-Rams pre season game
-Black Eyed Peas concert at Scottrade Center along with post concert "official" after parties at Lure and Fifteen

gone corporate · PostAug 14, 2010#3392010-08-14T19:50+00:00

Just a quick note to say we've had a thread on Wash Ave bar noise since June 2009.

http://urbanstl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7432

That is all.

ttricamo · PostAug 15, 2010#3402010-08-15T12:49+00:00

Any reports on the Wash Ave "scene" from last night? The Hill was crazy packed.

You have to hand it to folks from Chi-City; everytime they come down for a game, they give a lot of business to city restaurants, shops, bakeries, etc, versus traveling to the county.

downtown2007 · PostAug 15, 2010#3412010-08-15T16:26+00:00

Is the hearing still on for 08/27? I just came across this article.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 0e666.html

the central scrutinizer · PostAug 15, 2010#3422010-08-15T17:28+00:00

Downtown2007 wrote:Is the hearing still on for 08/27? I just came across this article.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 0e666.html

I saw that too. IANAL, but I don't think this means much at all. It just prevents this organization from collecting signatures (at least until a hearing can be held on Monday). On what grounds? If I had to guess, it's maybe because it is seen as some sort of quasi-government entity? Any lawyers around? They certainly cant stop private individuals from circulating a petition.

innov8ion · PostAug 15, 2010#3432010-08-15T17:36+00:00

Club Lure appears to be getting desperate in attempting to stifle due process. A tasteless move, not unlike the hanging of those notorious signs in their window.

Downtown residents have banded together and distributed the petition for signatures and the judge has no right to stop us from doing so. There will be a hearing on Monday @ 8:30am to discuss this and only twelve more days until the real hearing.

the central scrutinizer · PostAug 15, 2010#3442010-08-15T19:02+00:00

innov8ion wrote:Club Lure appears to getting desperate in attempting to stifle due process. A tasteless move, not unlike the hanging of those notorious signs in their window.

Downtown residents have banded together and distributed the petition for signatures and the judge has no right to stop us from doing so. There will be a hearing on Monday @ 8:30am to discuss this and only twelve more days until the real hearing.

He's not stopping you from distributing a petition - just the Downtown Partnership.

innov8ion · PostAug 16, 2010#3452010-08-16T19:02+00:00

Judge dismisses Lure restraining order, but gives nightclub another chance tomorrow

doug · PostAug 17, 2010#3462010-08-17T21:01+00:00

Go Bosley!

downtown2007 · PostAug 17, 2010#3472010-08-17T21:55+00:00

Looks like there are trying to cooperate. Hearing still set for 08/27.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... 78c22.html

innov8ion · PostAug 17, 2010#3482010-08-17T22:01+00:00

^ All signatures against the continuation of Lure's liquor license must be submitted to the Excise Division as of close of business (4:30 p.m.) on August 30, 2010. After the cut-off date of August 30, 2010 a protest hearing will be scheduled.

downtown2007 · PostAug 17, 2010#3492010-08-17T22:10+00:00

So it sounds like the petition to shut them down will be filed regardless of whether they cooperate?

innov8ion · PostAug 17, 2010#3502010-08-17T22:13+00:00

^ Define, "cooperate." There will be a hearing if more than 50% of the those in the petition circle have signed a protest against them.

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