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The renderings look old, or at least the first one does. You can see old Busch Stadium.

Didn't the listing agent post on here some time back?



I pass by the group of building on 4th at Chouteau everyday and it starting to appear that work stopped on the big one maybe 3 months ago.



They painted up some of the boards for some type of promotional event they had during the summer on the empty lot. Some grafitti vandals came along later and made further enhancements.

This will happen long before a new class A office tower is built or perhaps the BD works District.



There's a rather nice gentlement who owns a flower shop in the area , the name of business is Riley's . He will be the first offical tenant to sign a long term lease in the developement.

This will happen long before a new class A office tower is built or perhaps the BD works District.

[-o< Please be wrong [-o< Hopefully we're not all talking about a new class A office tower 10 years from now.

This development has been a work in progress for a while. It was always a heavily phased development, so I don't know why anyone would get overly excited or discouraged.

I like it. That garage can go. bring on the two or three story buildings.

Is everything in the rendering rehab, or is there some new infill, too?

JCity wrote:I like it. That garage can go. bring on the two or three story buildings.

That garage could be made into something else if one were so inspired. In Portland, I had coffee at a coffee shop that was in an auto mechanic's garage that was no longer being used. The auto shop was still using the one or two garages next to it.

Framer wrote:Is everything in the rendering rehab, or is there some new infill, too?

I think that the beige building in the first pic is infill - there's a vacant lot there now. You can kind of see it in this pic I took a few years ago:

I don't see any meters in the renderings - park wherever, and for however long, you want!

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Where will I park?

There is a parking garage slated to be in the 800 block. If you go to the website www.chouteauslanding.com you'll get a better feel for what the developer is planing for the district.

A great project, I'm very glad they are doing this, it will hopefully bring a lot of activity in the near south side.

JCity wrote:I like it. That garage can go. bring on the two or three story buildings.

If you look at the rendering on the website, it looks like they'll be using the opening of the garage door as a large window and not a garage for parking cars. I wonder what the back of the buildings will look like with the patios.

Looking at DeBaliviere's photo, most of the buildings have lost their cornices. I sure hope they restore them, as shown in the new renderings. A nice cornice makes all the differance, IMO.

Jeff707 wrote:I've always wondered why very few (if any) places in St. Louis utilize the garage door-style windows at bars and restaurants that really open up a place during nice weather. Tons of places in Chicago and Austin (off the top of my head) do this.

I've wondered that myself. At least Hooter's does!

Speaking of...there are a lot of great ideas around that don't always seem to appear in St. Louis. Maybe a lot of our great owners don't travel much? I noticed in Toronto the number of places that have permanent outdoor seating with overhead heaters. I'd guess they extend the patio time by several months.

DeBaliviere wrote:

Jeff707 wrote:I've always wondered why very few (if any) places in St. Louis utilize the garage door-style windows at bars and restaurants that really open up a place during nice weather. Tons of places in Chicago and Austin (off the top of my head) do this.

I've wondered that myself. At least Hooter's does!

Boogaloo.

Matt wrote:Speaking of...there are a lot of great ideas around that don't always seem to appear in St. Louis. Maybe a lot of our great owners don't travel much? I noticed in Toronto the number of places that have permanent outdoor seating with overhead heaters. I'd guess they extend the patio time by several months.

Those heaters are a waste of energy (creating heating that is immediately dissipated outdoors) and emit an incredible amount of pollution for what they accomplish (or do not accomplish). If it's cold, stay indoors.

crbswiss wrote:

Matt wrote:Speaking of...there are a lot of great ideas around that don't always seem to appear in St. Louis. Maybe a lot of our great owners don't travel much? I noticed in Toronto the number of places that have permanent outdoor seating with overhead heaters. I'd guess they extend the patio time by several months.

Those heaters are a waste of energy (creating heating that is immediately dissipated outdoors) and emit an incredible amount of pollution for what they accomplish (or do not accomplish). If it's cold, stay indoors.

Yes, please do. We wouldn't want any St. Louis neighborhoods to start looking like Rush Street in October. That just wouldn't do.

Believe me there is NO restaurants with street seating in the winter in Chicago. The post I was comenting on was about resaurants serving outdoors year round, and my comments where regaurding that situation. By all means I'm for people getting off their ass and going out, even in bad weather.

The pollution and energy waste of these "outdoor heaters" is a valid concern that many are now taking action on. In fact some cities across the globe have begun to ban them.

Oh, I believe you, but last time I looked, October was not part of winter. And last time I was up there, which just happened to be October, the sidewalk spaces were jammed, even though it was mid-50s in the evening.