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PostJun 22, 2007#226

Busdad wrote:As one transit patron who frequently uses the Civic Center Metrobus and Metrolink Station, the new Multi modal center will really be quite usable. The restroom and food court are very close to the train station and not much further from the Metrobus facility.



This entire project was reworked over the past five years to get a budget which was unfundable. Previously this project was going nowhere. We now have a beneficial project that will actually happen.



The Metrobus facility was actually constructed as the first as part of the full multimodal entire project. The original design that I saw had Spruce Street extended over the Metrolink Station to the west. There was no Metrobus facility, but the extended Spruce had space for Metrobuses on the side of the bridge over the station. Buses would sit on a 5 % grade. It was not very workable and really a terrible message to bus riders. We now have 2,700 daily bus boardings at or adjacent to the Civic Center Station on a weekday. That's comparable ridership to many downtown Metrolink Stations.



The designer of the current Metrobus facility also did the structure now being constructed. The city pulled Metro's portion out of the Amtrak Station package allowing Metro obtain a facility several years before the Multimodal project was done and negotiated with AMTRAK, MODOT, and Greyhound. I think the previous project (pre-redesign) would have cost $50 million. The city didn't have half that money.



Early ideas of the design did consider a pedestrian bridge crossing from the Metrobus facility to the Metrolink Station and the Multimodal center. I think the cost was pretty much out of sight and not a very practical design. You would have had to fit elevators and stairs in between the catenary poles. The current grade crossing and sidewalk and ramp approach, while requiring more walking, certainly is much more practical.



Perhaps if someone has a $1 million or more dollars, you could cover the walkway up to the train station and continue it up the stairs to the Bus facility. I will carry an umbrella until then.



I, for one, am thankful that there will now be a downtown Metrolink Station & Metrobus center adjacent to this intercity transportation hub with accessible rest rooms and food businesses very close by.


Very good points, Busdad! I agree.

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Arch City wrote:^I thought about that too, but the truth of the matter is.....cars crash through buildings all of the time. I've seen footage of cars and trucks crashing through stores and businesses from parking spaces close to buildings.



The good thing is that I don't recall any cars falling from the highway in that area - ever.


Yes, but, in this case, a car, or especially a truck, falling on the roof from 40 feet could take out most of the terminal building. Now that I think about it, I do recall a few accidents on the PSB that left cars or trucks teetering on the edge, not sure if any actually fell over though...

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PostJun 22, 2007#228

Yeah and an earthquake would destroy most of the City.

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PostJun 27, 2007#229

Anyone have updated construction photos? The last ones were posted over 4 months ago.

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PostJul 02, 2007#230

Permanent replacment for 'Amshack' will run $3 million over in costs

from http://kwmu.org


Planners say construction of a new multimodal transportation facility downtown is going well. However there have been some delays, and the project will probably wind up being a bit more expensive than first thought.



The new terminal will replace the downtown Amtrak and Greyhound stations, and also provide MetroLink access.



Project consultant John Roach says the facility will probably be open in the spring. But he says it will cost $3 million more than the $22 million first planned.



"They suffered some delays having to do with subsurface conditions," Roach said, in an interview. "They found a lot of concrete [and] some very wet areas. That's not an unusual situation in St. Louis, particularly in an area like down in the old Mill Creek Valley.



"At one point that was a lake."



The state is providing most of the money. Amtrak and Greyhound are also chipping in.



The multimodal station is going in alongside the Civic Center MetroLink stop near the ScottTrade center.



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PostJul 05, 2007#231

I took the Civic Center metro link station today and I have to say this looks awesome, so far. The way the station moves with the freeway overpass, and ... well, my ability to finally have a better idea of what they were going for, was great. So far, so good!

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PostJul 06, 2007#232

Some pics at the station:


















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PostJul 09, 2007#233

Jambo wrote:Some pics at the station:


Thanks for the pics, Jambo. Looking good so far!



-RBB

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PostJul 09, 2007#234

For some reason I am getting the broken link/picture "X" symbol for your images. Is anyone else having problems viewing them?

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PostAug 15, 2007#235

Um, did anybody pass this in the past few days? This morning, they were putting glass into the east side of the building. There are panes maybe 2 ft square or a little less. It appears to be red, blue, and yellow glass panes interspersed randomly with normal glass. For some reason it reminds me of a 1970s library; sort of an institutional attempt to make things playful but winding up ugly. I'm hoping that maybe it's a protective film, but no idea why only some panes would have it, and why it would be different colors.



Sorry, didn't have my camera with me.

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PostAug 15, 2007#236

I can't see the pics, but the colored panels sound retrofabulous!!!

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PostAug 15, 2007#237

JivecitySTL wrote:I can't see the pics, but the colored panels sound retrofabulous!!!


Yes, next thing you know they'll add red brick and plastic ornamental "iron".

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PostAug 15, 2007#238

Some pics please for us expats.

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PostAug 16, 2007#239

sounds cool to me. I think this building looks pretty impressive, especially for the tight city budget.

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PostAug 16, 2007#240

I have some pretty bad pics from the train that i'll post later.



I think it would have looked a lot better without colored glass. The building is interesting enough without trying to recall the 70s. It's a small feature in the overall scheme of things, but why make the decision to begin with.

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PostAug 16, 2007#241

Granted it isn't finished but I just don't see $25 million there. It's basically a covered walkway. Looks like a long garage. Maybe the big expense will be in furniture and fixtures?



Maybe big fees? I'd like to see a budget on this. Anyone know if it's posted somewhere?

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PostAug 16, 2007#242

Construction and Material costs have skyrocketed in the last few years. Add to that the cost of laying 2 new lines of track between the platforms and $25 million doesn't seem that far out of reach. This is just a guess but some of the cost could also have come from structural and foundation problems resulting from it going underneath the highway.

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PostAug 16, 2007#243

yes, bad pics. gives you an idea though.








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PostAug 16, 2007#244

Nice! Ok, so you really can't tell, but I've seen this from Metro a few times in the past week or so and I think it's pretty cool. Of course, function will be the main asset and it should serve as a good bus depot with connections to Metrolink and Amtrak . . .



[Edit] sorry.

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PostAug 16, 2007#245

Grover wrote:Amtrack


that hurts my eyes

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PostAug 17, 2007#246

Hmm...I think I like the mulit-colored windows. They're small enough that they don't really jump out at you. They're more like an accent.

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PostAug 17, 2007#247

Framer wrote:Hmm...I think I like the mulit-colored windows. They're small enough that they don't really jump out at you. They're more like an accent.


You'd be surprised. It doesn't show well in top pic (the bottom shows a little), but it's not just the small ones. Most of the larger ones are colored too.

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PostAug 17, 2007#248

OMG, I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostAug 17, 2007#249

Actually, I think I like it. And if, twelve years from now, it looks dated or ridiculous or we say 'what were we thinking?' it should be an easy fix.



thanks, grover! :wink:

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PostAug 17, 2007#250

I don't know if I can tell enough from the picture to actually comment from the pictures... It seems to have a funky De Stijl/Mondrian feel to it. Severely understated in the Midwest; it's a good way to mix things up. Unfortunately, the only memorable aspect of the project is the glass. I hope that when someone breaks one out it, they don't go bottom dollar and just replace with clear glass!

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