1971, huh? I can't help but think that I'm glad it never got built (the building, that is, as the rapid transit would have been great). The building looks like it's designed as Brutalist architecture which was in vogue along with a mix of Disney's old Tomorrowland thrown in for good measure. Flashbacks of Eliot Hall at Wash U. ::shudder::SMSPlanstu wrote:As promised
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SMSPlanstu wrote:
Crbswiss wrote:
Warwickland and Mill204 wrote:
The As Promised refers to accepting Crbswiss's request to post the East St. Louis Station with the actual scan of the real thing. Thus, as promised.
Gosh, I feel spoiled in planning.
Okay so there is a really neat rendering in the 1971 Rapid Transit Feasibility Study that would have been phenomeonal in the 1970s and looked very futuristic. It was akin to an inverted triangle with large pillars supporting the top. It combined buses, vehicular drop off/pick up, and subway. It is not very pedestrian friendly by that it does not assume large quantities of traffic arriving on foot or bicycle in downtown but by car, bus, or subway. Thus people arrive an depart by different modes of transport.
Crbswiss wrote:
Could you post it for us?
Warwickland and Mill204 wrote:
SMSPlanstu wrote:
As promised
The As Promised refers to accepting Crbswiss's request to post the East St. Louis Station with the actual scan of the real thing. Thus, as promised.
That's how I understood it. I just wanted to make clear that I was replying to you, but I didn't want to duplicate the picture, too. Maybe I shouldn't have quoted as that just made it confusing.SMSPlanstu wrote:The As Promised refers to accepting Crbswiss's request to post the East St. Louis Station with the actual scan of the real thing. Thus, as promised.
woah!! I was taking amtrak, more than 10 times a year, not too long ago. Now, I have a car, and I wish I didnt. Every trip I looked forward to seeing the looks on people's faces, as we rode through East St louis, through amtraks unique view of the skyline from the East Riverfront.
Im so happy this station is getting built, as I take Amtrak more times then I know. I am sick of shleping my bags across old dirt and bricks and under a highway. And when its rainy it all gets muddy.
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to the e. stl station pictures, i was rather...amazed (in a good way)? thanks for posting that sms.
to the e. stl station pictures, i was rather...amazed (in a good way)? thanks for posting that sms.
If the scenic rail cruise thing was pulling in and out of Union Station for years, why couldn't Amtrak?
I'm starting to think that the new hub may be an idea that sat too long on the drawing boards....growing stale years ago.
The idea of a 21st century mixed-use facility acting as a transit hub seems best suited for Union Station and vice versa. Especially, if residential is the next addition to the station.
I'm starting to think that the new hub may be an idea that sat too long on the drawing boards....growing stale years ago.
The idea of a 21st century mixed-use facility acting as a transit hub seems best suited for Union Station and vice versa. Especially, if residential is the next addition to the station.
^Not to mention that Missouri is cutting all funding to Amtrak! :smt013 The only trains that will be stopping here are those that will be going to chicago or Texas. Does anyone know how many trains stop at the station every day going westward to other destinations in Missouri?
How are things coming along with the new station? It must be taking shape by now.
Don't even get me started about cutting funding!
Don't even get me started about cutting funding!
Passed it today -- it's still the steel frame but elements are getting added every day. It looks like the canopy supports on the west side are up. Also the corridor or walkway going down to the tracks is starting to go up as well.
I think it's still two a day headed west and two a day headed east (a.m. and p.m.). It's been that schedule for as long as I've been around.
This funding cut is horrible news!
So much for the potential STL-Springfield line.
So much for the potential STL-Springfield line.
The trains may be scheduled that way, but lately the odds of actually spending the whole trip on a train have been next to zero. Kind of defeats the whole idea.
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shadrach wrote:So much for the potential STL-Springfield line.
I'm usually in Springfield at least twice a year, for Springfield Cardinals games in the summer and sometimes for Missouri State basketball in the fall and winter. I was looking forward to the proposed Amtrak route between the two cities, but I can't say I'm surprised by the cuts.
The problem is what do you do when you get to springfield? Unless you've got relatives willing to court you around (oddly enough, I do), then you're screwed. The transit in Springfield is awful.
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trent wrote:The problem is what do you do when you get to springfield? Unless you've got relatives willing to court you around (oddly enough, I do), then you're screwed. The transit in Springfield is awful.
well, there is that pretty big state school there that is heavily attended by stl area students, plus drury...plus it would go through rolla with that school...
Sprignfield has a city bus http://www.cityutilities.net/transit/main.htm which I am sure could be changed around if a train stop was put in...
Rolla has no such transit but the train station would be downtown which is under 1/2 mile from campus (Missouri S&T now) as well as the vast majority of campus housing... Rolla is small and would benefit from just having a stop period (if the computer nerds would get out of their dorm rooms). I wouldn't think any additional transit would be needed, just government funding and approval.
Rolla has no such transit but the train station would be downtown which is under 1/2 mile from campus (Missouri S&T now) as well as the vast majority of campus housing... Rolla is small and would benefit from just having a stop period (if the computer nerds would get out of their dorm rooms). I wouldn't think any additional transit would be needed, just government funding and approval.
Downtown diary: All aboard
By Doug Moore
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
04/30/2007
Transport center
A rendering of the new multimodal, officially called the St. Louis Gateway Transportation Center, which will replace the Amtrak and Greyhound stations.
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Mark your calendars. The date that St. Louis officially moves into the 21st century is Feb. 8.
There is, after nearly 30 years, a date for when a new transportation center in downtown St. Louis will open. Where Greyhound buses and Amtrak trains come together at one point and riders can jump off and catch a cab or a seat on MetroLink.
"This will actually make the city look like, you know, that we've arrived, that we take transportation seriously," said Marjorie Melton, president of the city's Board of Public Service, the agency overseeing the $30 million transportation center project.
For years, the proposed center has been referred to as the multimodal, an awkward engineering term. The official name — St. Louis Gateway Transportation Center — isn't much better. But the city rightly decided it is better to put more effort into building the new center than giving it a catchy name.
Greyhound is now in the old Cass Bank at 1450 North 13th Street, just north of downtown, with little to walk to but a fast-food chicken restaurant.
Amtrak is housed in its second "temporary building" in nearly 30 years, tucked under Highway 40 at 551 South 16th Street. It is hard to find and hard to get to.
The new transportation center, however, will be hard to miss. It is rising just north of the Amtrak station, west of 14th Street and south of Scottrade Center. It will be accessible by vehicle from Clark or 18th streets. A spur off the railroad tracks will drop Amtrak riders onto a platform, where escalators will carry travelers up to the center. Inside, a food court and concourse linking rail and bus services await.
The long and narrow building will have a preweathered finish. The blue-gray patina is to play off the concrete piers of Highway 40 overhead and the design of the nearby Scottrade Center.
cont... Downtown diary: All aboard
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By Doug Moore
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
04/30/2007
Transport center
A rendering of the new multimodal, officially called the St. Louis Gateway Transportation Center, which will replace the Amtrak and Greyhound stations.
Mark your calendars. The date that St. Louis officially moves into the 21st century is Feb. 8.
There is, after nearly 30 years, a date for when a new transportation center in downtown St. Louis will open. Where Greyhound buses and Amtrak trains come together at one point and riders can jump off and catch a cab or a seat on MetroLink.
"This will actually make the city look like, you know, that we've arrived, that we take transportation seriously," said Marjorie Melton, president of the city's Board of Public Service, the agency overseeing the $30 million transportation center project.
For years, the proposed center has been referred to as the multimodal, an awkward engineering term. The official name — St. Louis Gateway Transportation Center — isn't much better. But the city rightly decided it is better to put more effort into building the new center than giving it a catchy name.
Greyhound is now in the old Cass Bank at 1450 North 13th Street, just north of downtown, with little to walk to but a fast-food chicken restaurant.
Amtrak is housed in its second "temporary building" in nearly 30 years, tucked under Highway 40 at 551 South 16th Street. It is hard to find and hard to get to.
The new transportation center, however, will be hard to miss. It is rising just north of the Amtrak station, west of 14th Street and south of Scottrade Center. It will be accessible by vehicle from Clark or 18th streets. A spur off the railroad tracks will drop Amtrak riders onto a platform, where escalators will carry travelers up to the center. Inside, a food court and concourse linking rail and bus services await.
The long and narrow building will have a preweathered finish. The blue-gray patina is to play off the concrete piers of Highway 40 overhead and the design of the nearby Scottrade Center.
cont... Downtown diary: All aboard
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you know I've yet to see a "full" rendering of this building. Every rendering we've seen so far i slimited to the long "terminal" section of the building. I actually thought that was all there was going to be .... but upon viewing the actual construction its clear that there is a larger section of the building underneath highway 40 .... does anyone have access to a complete rendering
]trent wrote:The problem is what do you do when you get to springfield? Unless you've got relatives willing to court you around (oddly enough, I do), then you're screwed. The transit in Springfield is awful.
That's how things work in towns that aren't so big. I grew up in a town of 11,000. Makes more sense to drive to these destinations unless you've got someone to schlep you around. Unless of course you can rent a car at the destination...
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trent wrote:The problem is what do you do when you get to springfield? Unless you've got relatives willing to court you around (oddly enough, I do), then you're screwed. The transit in Springfield is awful.
ummm think Enterprise, Hertz, Budget, Avis, etc...
While some Springfield passengers might be there to visit relatives that don't live on bus lines or within walking distance of downtown, chances are that most train passengers alighting in Springfield would be auto-free students. I am sure they manage getting around central Springfield OK. Springfield is not a small town of 11,000 people. And it is packed with students. Also, they have being doing a good job of reinventing their downtown. Busy, healthy downtowns make train travel viable. And viable train service helps downtowns.