This seems to be developing a bit slow, but it's a great piece of land and if I owned it I wouldn't be in a rush. If/when Lac de Chouteau comes about this will be a hot area.
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true, I think the Murphy family is playing their cards right
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Grover wrote:This seems to be developing a bit slow, but it's a great piece of land and if I owned it I wouldn't be in a rush. If/when Lac de Chouteau comes about this will be a hot area.
I'd really like to see their Fourth Street buildings fill up sooner rather than later though - help strengthen the downtown-Soulard connection.
Update:
http://www.marketvolt.com/custapp/cv.as ... st=1652304
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http://www.marketvolt.com/custapp/cv.as ... st=1652304
In The Headlines:
The Artery & Chouteau's Landing
In early October, Chouteau's Landing announced hiring Art Space Creative, a Chicago-based art space consulting team, to consult on plans for The Artery, an interactive arts center to be housed in the building currently known as Powell Square. The response has been exciting.
The Buzz
From a two-page article in the St. Louis Business Journal to the front-page of the Vital Voice newspaper, Chouteau's Landing has piqued interest as plans for The Artery start to formulate and tenants sign on to Historic Fourth Street.
"When people in St. Louis talk about going to 'the Landing' for a bite to eat and to socialize next year, they might be talking about Chouteau's Landing rather than Laclede's Landing," according to Diana Barr's introduction in the Oct. 26 St. Louis Business Journal article "Chouteau's Landing lands eatery, advances Artery."
"A major arts center planned for Chouteau's Landing got an infusion of creativity after Chivvis Development hired a Chicago-based consulting business to assist with the project," read Nancy Larson's Vital Voice article.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch and STL Construct Net also posted news of the alliance.
What's All The Buzz About?
The Artery
Perhaps you recognize the Powell Square Building (pictured left) from trips to Busch Stadium or travels across the Poplar Street Bridge. This is the future home of The Artery.
Part of the Chouteau's Landing district-wide redevelopment by Chivvis Development, The Artery will be a progressive arts center designed to enrich lives through the collaborative interplay of artists and patrons in a space that encourages the free exploration of creativity and ideas.
The consulting team Art Space Creative helped realize a similar vision in a similar warehouse-style building (pictured left) at the River East Art Center in Chicago.
Led by Mikki Markowicz, Art Space Creative's team will complete site-use plans for The Artery and the surrounding Chouteau's Landing district as well as submit a market research and feasibility plan, a business model, team-building plan and budget forecast for The Artery. These results will be available at ChouteausLanding.com in early 2008.
Art Space Creative is an organization that works with developers and community leaders to enhance reuse projects. By melding an array of business services with arts and entertainment venues, Art Space Creative helps property owners create a destination.
Bushwoods
756 Historic Fourth Street (red brick building in rendering below), which is located directly behind Broadway Oyster Bar, will house Bushwoods Bar and Grill on the first floor. The second floor of the building will become Chivvis Development's new office and showroom for the Chouteau's Landing and The Artery projects. This will kickoff the renovations along a three-block stretch of Historic Fourth Street. These commercial spaces will be designed to stir creativity, incite productivity and spark ingenuity. Imagine your business as part of this edgy new hotspot and contact Andy for leasing opportunities available.
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Supporting Downtown St. Louis
Chivvis Development is a Supporting Sponsor of the 2007 Better Downtown & Cityscape Awards. A Downtown St. Louis Partnership and Southwest Bank sponsored event, the Awards ceremony will take place at the Top of the Met, located at 1 Metropolitan Square on the 42nd floor from 5:30-7:30 pm on Thursday, November 29.
Awards are granted for projects that make improvements to the physical environment of downtown which are visible at the pedestrian level.
The Cityscape Awards, projects that have made a significant impact on improving the street-level environment of their immediate downtown neighborhood, will go to Cambridge Heights Condos, F15teen Restaurant and Lounge; Fitness Factory; Masulla; Pulaski Bank; Rooster; San Sai Japanese Grill; Simply Fondue; Gelateria; the Walking Figure; and 9th Street Retail (Baladas, Curves and Espresso Mod).
The Better Downtown Awards, projects of regional impact that call attention to Downtown revitalization throughtout the metropolitan area and beyond, will be presented to Bankers Lofts with Good Works; Ely Walker Lofts with English Living and the London Tea Room; the Franklin School Apartments; Pointe 400; and Cupples One with J. Buck's.
And the Vincent J. Bommarite - Special Merit Award goes to - Taste of St. Louis.
Tickets are $35 and include refreshments and a cash bar. For more information, contact the Downtown St. Louis Partnership at 314.436.6500.
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Chivvis has sent out an email survey asking for opinions on the future of the flood wall:
"Chouteau's Landing features a flood wall that has in recent years been the site of Paint Louis and other graffiti events. However, such events have led to unwanted graffitti cropping up in more abundance in other parts of the city. What other uses could the wall serve that would help beautify the area without compromising the structure's integrity as a flood wall?"
Post comments at:
http://www.chouteauslanding.com/news/
I think it's ridiculous to conclude that holding graffiti events in designated places like this leads to unwanted graffiti elsewhere, but it's nice that they're seeking input.
"Chouteau's Landing features a flood wall that has in recent years been the site of Paint Louis and other graffiti events. However, such events have led to unwanted graffitti cropping up in more abundance in other parts of the city. What other uses could the wall serve that would help beautify the area without compromising the structure's integrity as a flood wall?"
Post comments at:
http://www.chouteauslanding.com/news/
I think it's ridiculous to conclude that holding graffiti events in designated places like this leads to unwanted graffiti elsewhere, but it's nice that they're seeking input.
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Cityzen wrote:I think it's ridiculous to conclude that holding graffiti events in designated places like this leads to unwanted graffiti elsewhere, but it's nice that they're seeking input.
But that's what happened last time.
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I'm glad a suitable- make that an ideal- use has been found for the Powell Square Building. I'll be even happier when work actually begins, because it is such an eyesore and it's the first thing that greets vistors looking to the south as they cross the Mississippi River into St. Louis.
(Fortunately, with the Gateway Arch, the new Busch Stadium, and our short yet distinctive skyline, there have always been plenty of reasons to ignore the Powell Square Buidling.) Hopefully it will be worth a look soon, because this area could be a great arts district, and like DeBaliviere said, I'd love to see it strengthen the Downtown-Soulard connection.
(Fortunately, with the Gateway Arch, the new Busch Stadium, and our short yet distinctive skyline, there have always been plenty of reasons to ignore the Powell Square Buidling.) Hopefully it will be worth a look soon, because this area could be a great arts district, and like DeBaliviere said, I'd love to see it strengthen the Downtown-Soulard connection.
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Cityzen wrote:I think it's ridiculous to conclude that holding graffiti events in designated places like this leads to unwanted graffiti elsewhere, but it's nice that they're seeking input.
Are you serious? Let's see, put a couple hundred people, 99% of whom have illegally vandalized property at some time in their lives, give each of them a couple cans of spray paint, and you think all the graffiti will stay confined to the flood wall? Ummmm...OK.
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Cityzen wrote:I think it's ridiculous to conclude that holding graffiti events in designated places like this leads to unwanted graffiti elsewhere, but it's nice that they're seeking input.
Are you serious? Let's see, put a couple hundred people, 99% of whom have illegally vandalized property at some time in their lives, give each of them a couple cans of spray paint, and you think all the graffiti will stay confined to the flood wall? Ummmm...OK.
Once again for like the 20th time.
[sarcasm]
You're just a narrow minded fool. Everyone knows that graffiti is just part of living in a big thriving city. These artists should be celebrated and given the highest praise. They should also be allowed to display their artwork on whatever private and public property they see fit.
Anyone who thinks differently is a facist pig.
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dweebe wrote:Once again for like the 20th time.
[sarcasm]
You're just a narrow minded fool. Everyone knows that graffiti is just part of living in a big thriving city. These artists should be celebrated and given the highest praise. They should also be allowed to display their artwork on whatever private and public property they see fit.
Anyone who thinks differently is a facist pig.
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Oink, oink.
dweebe wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Cityzen wrote:I think it's ridiculous to conclude that holding graffiti events in designated places like this leads to unwanted graffiti elsewhere, but it's nice that they're seeking input.
Are you serious? Let's see, put a couple hundred people, 99% of whom have illegally vandalized property at some time in their lives, give each of them a couple cans of spray paint, and you think all the graffiti will stay confined to the flood wall? Ummmm...OK.
Once again for like the 20th time.
[sarcasm]
You're just a narrow minded fool. Everyone knows that graffiti is just part of living in a big thriving city. These artists should be celebrated and given the highest praise. They should also be allowed to display their artwork on whatever private and public property they see fit.
Anyone who thinks differently is a facist pig.
[/sarcasm]
I personally dont have any problem with artistic graffiti just as long as it isnt gang related or on personal property.
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^ Do you want it on the brand new Tamm Ave. overpass? I sure as hell don't. I think some of the artistic stuff is pretty cool looking, but unless you have the owner's permission to do it--don't!
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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Cityzen wrote:I think it's ridiculous to conclude that holding graffiti events in designated places like this leads to unwanted graffiti elsewhere, but it's nice that they're seeking input.
Are you serious? Let's see, put a couple hundred people, 99% of whom have illegally vandalized property at some time in their lives, give each of them a couple cans of spray paint, and you think all the graffiti will stay confined to the flood wall? Ummmm...OK.
A) a couple hundred people at an organized wall-painting event in saint louis? not likely.
B) if the event is MODERATED, then yes, the paint will stay confined to the flood wall. at least during the event.
C) NOT allowing graffiti artists to paint the flood wall is NOT going to stop those who wish to vandalize public property from doing so. at least this way we get a pretty flood wall out of it. and perhaps a few of them will feel more included in the community and, maybe, take more pride in it. who knows.
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urban_dilettante wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Cityzen wrote:I think it's ridiculous to conclude that holding graffiti events in designated places like this leads to unwanted graffiti elsewhere, but it's nice that they're seeking input.
Are you serious? Let's see, put a couple hundred people, 99% of whom have illegally vandalized property at some time in their lives, give each of them a couple cans of spray paint, and you think all the graffiti will stay confined to the flood wall? Ummmm...OK.
A) a couple hundred people at an organized wall-painting event in saint louis? not likely.
B) if the event is MODERATED, then yes, the paint will stay confined to the flood wall. at least during the event.
C) NOT allowing graffiti artists to paint the flood wall is NOT going to stop those who wish to vandalize public property from doing so. at least this way we get a pretty flood wall out of it. and perhaps a few of them will feel more included in the community and, maybe, take more pride in it. who knows.
A) I really have no idea how many show up. I don't think it matters.
B) How do you moderate those who wander off?
C) Of course it won't. But it dense packs them into one area, where they wouldn't normally be otherwise. So it's not surprising that a certain number of them go off and to their own thing. And as for whether or not they "feel more included in the community"? I really don't care how they feel.
You guys, seriously, restart the boring, tail-chasing Graffiti debate in the graffiti thread.
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TGE-ATW wrote:You guys, seriously, restart the boring, tail-chasing Graffiti debate in the graffiti thread.
No need to. It's over. I won.
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i didn't know there was a graffiti thread. anyway, every "debate" with central devolves into one-liners and/or mockery. (for example, i just got served by the cool police for using capital letters to outline my points. ouch.) not that this was a debate. more like a speculation battle. i'm finished too. apparently cs won. you may now post the last word, cs.
What Would You Do?
In August 2007, a Danforth Foundation study revealed a need for the St. Louis Arch Grounds to connect with surrounding neighborhoods and be more accessible to the public. In what ways do you think the Chouteau’s Landing redevelopment project can assist in making these connections, and how would you prioritize them in regards to the entire Chouteau’s Landing project?
There are two replies posted so far (click here). Figured I'd let everyone know so you could provide ideas if you have them.
Am I the only one who's not able to leave a reply? The text boxes will not let me type anything in them...
OK, this is the master plan (taken from here) of 2006:
I agree with the replies already left that streetscape improvements are a must. The area, though, aspires to be an incubator for artists. I say continue doing what they've already done, but in a more substantial way. What about some sort of gate, say at the corner of 4th and Gratiot, that would be visible from Broadway to people parking from the Cardinals games. Maybe something like these:
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In addition to the typical city streetscape improvements, why not include art/design in the sidewalks, benches, and lightposts:
(yes, I know, it's a parking lot. I'm talking about the walkway:)
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In addition, arrange for chalk art on the sidewalks in the Park along Cedar street:
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Now, as for connecting Chouteau's Landing to the Archgrounds, that will be much more difficult. Adequate signeage on the Arch grounds is of firstmost importance. 4+M people a year go to the arch, most of them parking on the Garage on the north side. Add signs at the garage entry points showing a map of the downtown area including surrounding attractions. As it is, there's little reason for people who park in the north garage to venture south of the Arch leg - let people know there's something there.
Another arty-type gate on 2nd street as it faces the southern boundry Arch grounds would invite people under the bridge ane into Chouteau's landing. Of course, the entire area under the bridge will need to be well-lit at night, and attractive during the day.
Which brings me to the mess under the tangle of on-ramps leading onto the PSB. Turn that into some sort of playground - make it a skate park or a cement-land- type urban sculpture park where you can climb on and over sculptures and statues. Tile the concrete base of the piers holding up the on-ramps, like the first floor of the City Museum:
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Add a pedestrian overpass from 4th street over I-55 to allow easier access.
Idunno - just throwing some ideas out there...
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OK, this is the master plan (taken from here) of 2006:
I agree with the replies already left that streetscape improvements are a must. The area, though, aspires to be an incubator for artists. I say continue doing what they've already done, but in a more substantial way. What about some sort of gate, say at the corner of 4th and Gratiot, that would be visible from Broadway to people parking from the Cardinals games. Maybe something like these:
In addition to the typical city streetscape improvements, why not include art/design in the sidewalks, benches, and lightposts:
(yes, I know, it's a parking lot. I'm talking about the walkway:)
In addition, arrange for chalk art on the sidewalks in the Park along Cedar street:
Now, as for connecting Chouteau's Landing to the Archgrounds, that will be much more difficult. Adequate signeage on the Arch grounds is of firstmost importance. 4+M people a year go to the arch, most of them parking on the Garage on the north side. Add signs at the garage entry points showing a map of the downtown area including surrounding attractions. As it is, there's little reason for people who park in the north garage to venture south of the Arch leg - let people know there's something there.
Another arty-type gate on 2nd street as it faces the southern boundry Arch grounds would invite people under the bridge ane into Chouteau's landing. Of course, the entire area under the bridge will need to be well-lit at night, and attractive during the day.
Which brings me to the mess under the tangle of on-ramps leading onto the PSB. Turn that into some sort of playground - make it a skate park or a cement-land- type urban sculpture park where you can climb on and over sculptures and statues. Tile the concrete base of the piers holding up the on-ramps, like the first floor of the City Museum:
Add a pedestrian overpass from 4th street over I-55 to allow easier access.
Idunno - just throwing some ideas out there...
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That chalk art is the coolest thing I have ever seen. How does one pay for such a thing? Do the artists make money by tips and selling merchandise or do they actually get paid?
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Conurbation wrote:That chalk art is the coolest thing I have ever seen. How does one pay for such a thing? Do the artists make money by tips and selling merchandise or do they actually get paid?
The former, as far as I know. Of course, first they have to get permission.
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In a city like St. Louis, permission might be hard to get. I'd pay somebody if I saw that on the sidewalk.
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Someone did that type of sidewalk art in Kiener Plaza this summer. I didn't see the final product. It was already scuffed off the pavement, but there was a sign explaining what it was left over. Only later did I see pictures like this. Its very interesting to see the photos from the opposite angle, you can't even make out what it is.
Great photos and thanks for posting. Better design elements really add to the sense of place. Some of the metal/iron work would work well in St. Louis -- restore a sense of French heritage with a modern twist.