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NY Times -A Year After Ferguson, Housing Segregation Defies Tools to Erase It

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You can have 1,000 peaceful protesters, but it only takes one person acting a fool to ruin things for everyone. The cycle will never change.

So Antonio French let a few "protesters" into his building that houses his philanthropic endeavor "Heal STL" when the chaos ensued. And what did these "protesters" do to thank him for providing safe enclave? They stole laptops and iPads....

You can't make this schitt up folks...I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

STLEnginerd wrote:I don't understand why Ferguson can't enforce a curfew for protests, basically limiting it to daylight hours only. They tried before and got pilloried by the media for obstructing people right to speech and assembly but there is strong legal president for such restrictions. The violence has ALMOST always started after dark. Screw the media, they are invested in seeing more destruction and violence.

The mayor is already a scapegoat for decades of underlying issues he should just make the decision to enforce a curfew and take the heat for a while. It's the right decision for his community. Ferguson shouldn't be the regions punching bag for all the problems here. The people that live there have weathered enough of this.

Agree with everything you say....Let's think about the law-abiding citizens of Ferguson first.....

sirshankalot wrote:

STLEnginerd wrote:I don't understand why Ferguson can't enforce a curfew for protests, basically limiting it to daylight hours only. They tried before and got pilloried by the media for obstructing people right to speech and assembly but there is strong legal president for such restrictions. The violence has ALMOST always started after dark. Screw the media, they are invested in seeing more destruction and violence.

The mayor is already a scapegoat for decades of underlying issues he should just make the decision to enforce a curfew and take the heat for a while. It's the right decision for his community. Ferguson shouldn't be the regions punching bag for all the problems here. The people that live there have weathered enough of this.

Agree with everything you say....Let's think about the law-abiding citizens of Ferguson first.....

But we can't do that, since it wouldn't be "politically correct". I feel that the mayor and the police have the right to protect there town anyway that is necessary. To talk about another but related topic Canfield Green is probably now the most notorious housing project (just not in a traditional way we think of housing projects ) in the STL area. I feel the future or Ferguson and north county just isn't bright I can't imagine very many people or business we want to remain if a yearly riot is going to be the new thing there.

i,Iive,to,draw wrote:

sirshankalot wrote:

STLEnginerd wrote:I don't understand why Ferguson can't enforce a curfew for protests, basically limiting it to daylight hours only. They tried before and got pilloried by the media for obstructing people right to speech and assembly but there is strong legal president for such restrictions. The violence has ALMOST always started after dark. Screw the media, they are invested in seeing more destruction and violence.

The mayor is already a scapegoat for decades of underlying issues he should just make the decision to enforce a curfew and take the heat for a while. It's the right decision for his community. Ferguson shouldn't be the regions punching bag for all the problems here. The people that live there have weathered enough of this.

Agree with everything you say....Let's think about the law-abiding citizens of Ferguson first.....

But we can't do that, since it wouldn't be "politically correct". I feel that the mayor and the police have the right to protect there town anyway that is necessary. To talk about another but related topic Canfield Green is probably now the most notorious housing project (just not in a traditional way we think of housing projects ) in the STL area. I feel the future or Ferguson and north county just isn't bright I can't imagine very many people or business we want to remain if a yearly riot is going to be the new thing there.

I agree with all three of you. I don't even know what to say anymore, and that's probably for the better. I'm all for people expressing their 1A rights, but who honestly thought anything good would come out of what was planned for this weekend?

i don't agree. if you're not a racist and you don't buy into the endemic institutionalized racism of STL, you're just fine to live in AND ENJOY north county. Like I do...everyday.

I find all my neighbors regardless of race or creed enjoy when they're treated with humility and respect. Furthermore, they're apt to reciprocate such feelings. It's actually really simple: treat people the way you want to be treated. If you can do that, you can live anywhere.

Yes, I agree. Let's have a peaceful protest all day long. protests after 8:00/9:00 are now ILLEGAL and offer a place for criminals to misbehave and cause mayhem. The majority of white and BLACK citizens want to protect Ferguson and not see it completely destroyed. I'm sorry, i'm so sick of all of this. What's the protest for now, the disbandment of Ferguson Police Department? Fine, only if there are no more individual police departments anywhere in ST. Louis County. Only SLCPD, but would the protests stop there? what's next, not having any police departments? How many people have been slain in this city this year? what's the total number and what's the total number killed by police? Like Alderman Boyd said, where are the protests for those killings? This is just media fanfare that is here to stir things up for ratings. This annual riot will forever ruin the area. Sadly, i thought it was really coming back..

Also, I'm really pissed to see Kinman from Christ Church Cathedral supporting these protests downtown, which I honestly don't think are necessary at this point at all downtown. I'd love to see this church turned into a cool, creative office space or concert hall one day. Bye bye activist "church"..

"Also, I'm really pissed to see Kinman from Christ Church Cathedral supporting these protests downtown, which I honestly don't think are necessary at this point at all downtown. I'd love to see this church turned into a cool, creative office space or concert hall one day. Bye bye activist "church""

Yeah! How dare a church and its parishioners seek to remind us of social injustices in our city, and by protesting in front of government buildings and upstanding corporate citizens to boot! If they aren't for the upwardly mobile creative class, micro-breweries, and a new football stadium, then screw them! Sheesh. I hope this comment was tongue in cheek.

Maybe bring out the national guard to protect these businesses this time? What's the point of even having a national guard if it can't be used for stuff like this?

I think they should move the protests to places like Edwardsville, Chesterfield, and St. Peters. Fill those jails.

They cart their homeless to STL; let's export our protests to their streets.

Uh, I doubt it. Maybe in Clayton, but generally, all of these sort of societal costs rest squarely on the shoulders of city taxpayers, with folks in places like Chesterfield, St. Charles, Fenton and Fairview Heights enjoying the view, tax free.

Give me a break congregant, and what do you/the church do, take everyone's money for some made up fairy tale bs? It's 2015. Aren't we beyond space-daddy yet?
What was the reason for the protest downtown? Scare more companies into leaving it?

jcity wrote: What was the reason for the protest downtown? Scare more companies into leaving it?

I wish someone would think about that. It certainly doesn't help.

At some point, the protests will also jump the shark, if they haven't already. I realize there are participants with peaceful intentions, but people like "Ty Glocks" get the headlines for all the wrong reasons.

Looks like it was a good move for County Executive Stenger to declare the state of emergency, which allowed Chief Belmar to take over policing in Ferguson and to separate the peaceful folk from the troublemakers.

One thing on which I think we can all agree- I think the best case scenario at some point would be for the Ferguson PD to be dissolved and for county police to take over policing of the community as they did in Jennings.

jcity wrote:Give me a break congregant, and what do you/the church do, take everyone's money for some made up fairy tale bs? It's 2015. Aren't we beyond space-daddy yet?
What was the reason for the protest downtown? Scare more companies into leaving it?

Yikes. What a bigoted response. Churches have a lot of practical ministries that serve the poor and underserved.

^ I ignored the first portion of that comment, but I'l say this now for what it's worth: Can we please avoid statements like the one quoted above about religion? I don't appreciate it when my fellow Christians marginalize people of other faiths, or people who choose not to believe in a god, so I think it's only fair to show a similar amount of respect toward those of us who do believe.

I think there are better ways to articulate one's opinion of religion, whatever it may be. That is all.

jcity wrote:Give me a break congregant, and what do you/the church do, take everyone's money for some made up fairy tale bs? It's 2015. Aren't we beyond space-daddy yet?
What was the reason for the protest downtown? Scare more companies into leaving it?

I actually am a congregant at Christ Church Cathedral. The church does a lot of good in the downtown community, but I have to admit that I'm dismayed at the increasing radicalism of some in the church leadership, particularly Dean Kinman. If there is a shark to be jumped, he definitely jumped it yesterday and it was a real embarrassment to CCC. Kinda reminded me of the "exorcism" that idiot bishop in Illinois did after gay marriage was legalized there.

Anglophile wrote:

jcity wrote:Give me a break congregant, and what do you/the church do, take everyone's money for some made up fairy tale bs? It's 2015. Aren't we beyond space-daddy yet?
What was the reason for the protest downtown? Scare more companies into leaving it?

I actually am a congregant at Christ Church Cathedral. The church does a lot of good in the downtown community, but I have to admit that I'm dismayed at the increasing radicalism of some in the church leadership, particularly Dean Kinman. If there is a shark to be jumped, he definitely jumped it yesterday and it was a real embarrassment to CCC. Kinda reminded me of the "exorcism" that idiot bishop in Illinois did after gay marriage was legalized there.

Yep, Kinman has gone off the deep end in more ways than one. He has refused to cooperate in allowing the removal of some bad individuals selling and doing drugs at the entrance to his church. He has become a radical.